This guy gets it... (Off-Topic)
He's an anti-hero! He's supposed to be a reluctant good guy! That's why he got the girl!
Good thing too. *shudders*
Han lived a life of crime. He was a smuggler, packed a gun, and dealt with gangsters. No goody-two-shoes is gonna be like "well, it would be awful unsportsmanlike to shoot you while I have a chance at freedom. Darn, better lower my weapon and come with you!"Someone who lives a dangerous life of crime is going to be dangerous, or he's going to be dead. He was a self-serving crook, who had no stake in the good guys' fight, and he let them know that before leaving... but he came back anyway, sticking his neck out for something greater than himself. That's character development. That's good stuff.
I specifically said it was good character development, and I could maybe be persuaded to see that as how it happens, I just reject the idea that he's permanently that person, and I'd prefer to think he never was, because this is make-believe and I want to make believe that he and Luke and all of the rebel side are my version of good people. The option to do that (because in both versions we're talking a difference of a few frames IIRC) makes it a stronger story, to me.
Permanently being someone is NOT good character development. Lucas forgot that somewhere along the way, and just about ruined the universe as a result. Han's actions were in line with a certain kind of character in Westerns in a certain kind of dangerous setting, which had been one of Lucas's original inspirations. Along with forgetting his source material, he forgot what actually made characters interesting.
This static view of characters informs several key "revisions" to the mythology, from the Greedo crap (Greedo didn't shoot at all in the original--we're not talking about a few frames) to the Midi-chlorian malarkey, the movies became more about WHAT people were rather than what they could BECOME. That's one reason why the first few movies were so inspirational, and the last ones mostly stunk.
Complete thread:
- Latest Star Wars Trailer is UP -
TheeChaos,
2015-04-16, 16:17
- Old Han Solo -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 16:20
- Old Han Solo -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-16, 16:28
- Old Han Solo -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 16:30
- Old Han Solo -
Grizzlei,
2015-04-16, 16:37
- +1 - ZackDark, 2015-04-16, 16:41
- +2 - Schedonnardus, 2015-04-16, 17:04
- Old Han Solo -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-04-16, 17:43
- Old Han Solo - Grizzlei, 2015-04-16, 17:45
- Meh. We all know what happens when you use stunt doubles... - Ragashingo, 2015-04-16, 17:46
- Old Han Solo -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 18:12
- I imagine that probably had something to do with this. - iconicbanana, 2015-04-16, 18:21
- Does anyone else -
Chewbaccawakka,
2015-04-16, 18:49
- Does anyone else -
Kermit,
2015-04-16, 18:53
- Does anyone else -
Chewbaccawakka,
2015-04-16, 18:55
- Does anyone else -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-16, 18:57
- Does anyone else - Chewbaccawakka, 2015-04-16, 18:59
- Does anyone else -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-16, 18:57
- Does anyone else -
Chewbaccawakka,
2015-04-16, 18:55
- Does anyone else -
Kermit,
2015-04-16, 18:53
- Old Han Solo -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-16, 20:32
- Old Han Solo - INSANEdrive, 2015-04-16, 21:20
- Old Han Solo -
Kermit,
2015-04-16, 22:19
- Old Han Solo -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-16, 23:06
- Don't white wash the man's crimes! -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-16, 23:26
- This guy gets it... -
Korny,
2015-04-16, 23:42
- this - Schedonnardus, 2015-04-17, 14:16
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-17, 17:14
- This guy gets it... -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-17, 17:21
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-17, 17:29
- This guy gets it... - ZackDark, 2015-04-17, 22:41
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-17, 17:29
- This guy gets it... -
Kermit,
2015-04-17, 17:49
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-18, 15:43
- This guy gets it... -
Kermit,
2015-04-20, 13:50
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-20, 16:27
- This guy gets it... -
Kermit,
2015-04-20, 16:46
- Best part about that scene: - iconicbanana, 2015-04-20, 16:49
- You guys had subtitles?! - ZackDark, 2015-04-20, 17:23
- This guy gets it... - Ragashingo, 2015-04-20, 17:24
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-20, 17:35
- This guy gets it... -
Kermit,
2015-04-20, 17:40
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-20, 17:51
- This guy gets it... - Kermit, 2015-04-20, 19:27
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-20, 17:51
- This guy gets it... -
Kermit,
2015-04-20, 17:40
- This guy gets it... -
Kermit,
2015-04-20, 16:46
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-20, 16:27
- This guy gets it... -
Kermit,
2015-04-20, 13:50
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-18, 15:43
- This guy gets it... -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-17, 17:21
- This guy gets it... -
Korny,
2015-04-16, 23:42
- Don't white wash the man's crimes! -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-16, 23:26
- Old Han Solo -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-16, 23:06
- he shot first because he had to -
scarab,
2015-04-17, 20:38
- Sounds like a good case of self defense to me. - Quirel, 2015-04-17, 21:16
- he shot first because he had to -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-18, 15:50
- Bad logic. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-18, 16:27
- Bad logic. -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-19, 19:28
- Bad logic. - ZackDark, 2015-04-19, 19:36
- Bad logic. -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-19, 19:28
- Bad logic. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-18, 16:27
- Old Han Solo -
Grizzlei,
2015-04-16, 16:37
- Old Han Solo -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 16:30
- Old Han Solo -
CyberKN,
2015-04-16, 16:30
- Old Han Solo -
ZackDark,
2015-04-16, 16:32
- Old Han Solo - kidtsunami, 2015-04-16, 16:37
- Old Han Solo -
ZackDark,
2015-04-16, 16:32
- Old Han Solo -
Kermit,
2015-04-16, 16:45
- Old Han Solo - CyberKN, 2015-04-16, 16:50
- Old Han Solo -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 18:13
- Old Han Solo -
Kermit,
2015-04-16, 18:22
- Man, if he thinks Harrison Ford looks bad... - iconicbanana, 2015-04-16, 19:07
- Old Han Solo -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 19:21
- Old Han Solo - Speedracer513, 2015-04-16, 19:31
- Old Han Solo -
Quirel,
2015-04-17, 19:56
- Old Han Solo - iconicbanana, 2015-04-17, 20:06
- Old Han Solo -
Kermit,
2015-04-16, 18:22
- Wookie lifespan is around 400 years. - biggy, 2015-04-16, 16:51
- Old Han Solo -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-16, 16:28
- Someone Slit My Throat. -
Morpheus,
2015-04-16, 16:45
- Someone Slit My Throat. - Kermit, 2015-04-16, 16:47
- Confused. Does that mean you hate it or can't bare to wait? - INSANEdrive, 2015-04-16, 17:00
- Someone Slit My Throat. -
Morpheus,
2015-04-17, 03:54
- Someone Slit My Throat. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-17, 03:56
- Are the despecialized editions worth tracking down? -
kidtsunami,
2015-04-17, 11:55
- And can you point us in the right direction?... -
Mid7night,
2015-04-17, 12:28
- I have all 3 and will let anyone borrow my digital backups - JDQuackers, 2015-04-17, 14:09
- And can you point us in the right direction?... - Vortech, 2015-04-18, 02:29
- And can you point us in the right direction?... -
Mid7night,
2015-04-17, 12:28
- Are the despecialized editions worth tracking down? -
kidtsunami,
2015-04-17, 11:55
- Someone Slit My Throat. -
Kermit,
2015-04-17, 10:42
- Someone Slit My Throat. - Penthesilean, 2015-04-17, 12:12
- Sounds like you hate Star Wars fans - kidtsunami, 2015-04-17, 11:52
- TL;DR - Hates he isn't part of the party.Doesn't understand. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-04-17, 12:38
- Hey now. Maybe he just saw this first. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 12:42
- Unlikely. 1978. Point noted all the same. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-04-17, 13:04
- He's begging for death after a trailer announcement. - iconicbanana, 2015-04-17, 13:11
- Unlikely. 1978. Point noted all the same. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-04-17, 13:04
- Hey now. Maybe he just saw this first. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 12:42
- Someone Slit My Throat. - General Vagueness, 2015-04-17, 16:55
- Someone Slit My Throat. - General Vagueness, 2015-04-19, 19:56
- Someone Slit My Throat. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-17, 03:56
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
dogcow,
2015-04-16, 16:59
- So you've shielded him from...those other ones? -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-16, 17:01
- So you've shielded him from...those other ones? -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-04-16, 19:34
- So you've shielded him from...those other ones? - iconicbanana, 2015-04-16, 19:36
- So you've shielded him from...those other ones? -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-04-16, 19:34
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
CyberKN,
2015-04-16, 17:06
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
dogcow,
2015-04-16, 17:10
- Trying really hard not to get excited. - Kermit, 2015-04-16, 17:25
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
Schedonnardus,
2015-04-16, 17:30
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 18:18
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
CaneCutter,
2015-04-16, 19:07
- Trying really hard not to get excited. - Korny, 2015-04-17, 02:03
- Trying really hard not to get excited. - JDQuackers, 2015-04-17, 01:12
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
CaneCutter,
2015-04-16, 19:07
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 18:18
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 18:16
- Which makes me really angry. -
Kermit,
2015-04-16, 18:25
- Which makes me really angry. -
Korny,
2015-04-17, 01:44
- Which makes me really angry. - iconicbanana, 2015-04-17, 01:53
- Which makes me really angry. -
Korny,
2015-04-17, 01:44
- You can get them on DVD. -
Xenos,
2015-04-16, 20:25
- You can get them on DVD. -
dogcow,
2015-04-16, 21:32
- You can get them on DVD. - Xenos, 2015-04-17, 00:14
- You can get them on DVD. -
dogcow,
2015-04-16, 21:32
- Which makes me really angry. -
Kermit,
2015-04-16, 18:25
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
dogcow,
2015-04-16, 17:10
- Why? Get excited - Cody Miller, 2015-04-17, 02:34
- So you've shielded him from...those other ones? -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-16, 17:01
- Hyped - RC, 2015-04-16, 17:33
- Star Wars Battlefront Trailer is UP -
JDQuackers,
2015-04-17, 18:21
- No Thanks. -
CyberKN,
2015-04-17, 18:37
- Sound Logic. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 18:39
- I'm not familiar enough with Jurassic Park to get this. -
CyberKN,
2015-04-17, 18:46
- You nearly were quoting the movie! -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 18:50
- Okay, that's what I suspected. -
CyberKN,
2015-04-17, 18:54
- Most definitely. - iconicbanana, 2015-04-17, 18:55
- Okay, that's what I suspected. -
CyberKN,
2015-04-17, 18:54
- You nearly were quoting the movie! -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 18:50
- I'm not familiar enough with Jurassic Park to get this. -
CyberKN,
2015-04-17, 18:46
- No Thanks. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-17, 20:11
- ITT we now post Lucasarts nostalgia bombs. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 20:15
- ITT we now post Lucasarts nostalgia bombs. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 20:18
- ITT we now post Lucasarts nostalgia bombs. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-17, 20:26
- Yes. - ZackDark, 2015-04-17, 22:44
- ITT we now post Lucasarts nostalgia bombs. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-17, 20:26
- ITT we now post Lucasarts nostalgia bombs. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 20:18
- ITT we now post Lucasarts nostalgia bombs. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 20:15
- You know - RaichuKFM, 2015-04-18, 11:03
- Sound Logic. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 18:39
- Star Wars Battlefront Trailer is UP - Phoenix_9286, 2015-04-17, 18:40
- One glaring problem. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-04-17, 19:09
- Totally agreed... -
Korny,
2015-04-17, 19:13
- +1 - Grizzlei, 2015-04-17, 22:00
- Totally agreed... -
Korny,
2015-04-17, 19:13
- No space combat = not interested -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-04-18, 11:44
- No space combat = not interested - Vortech, 2015-04-19, 01:53
- No Thanks. -
CyberKN,
2015-04-17, 18:37
- I filmed a Star Wars Casting Parody - Kahzgul, 2015-04-17, 22:19
- Relevant *IMG* - Speedracer513, 2015-04-18, 10:04
- Hyped. - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-04-18, 12:08
- Old Han Solo -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 16:20