This guy gets it... (Off-Topic)
remember when you said the argument was dumb?
George Lucas' argument was dumb, and you took it up.
Maybe-- I didn't think I was, but I watched the comparison, and you're not going to like this, but the original version looks pretty cold to me, and I still think he could've gotten out of it another way. That's not to say Han is or was a bad character or a bad person, or to say his character development isn't important. Again, it's make-believe, I don't have to justify anything. I could say that little thing on Jabba's shoulder in RotJ used to be Luke's pet because that resonates with me, even though there's nothing to support that. I could even be wrong and making a dumb argument on that, but that wouldn't affect anyone else, just as this doesn't. I trust that you're mature enough to not think I'm dumb because I want to pretend about a pretend universe.
I never said that YOU were dumb. I find Lucas' explanation for the change dumb because it's aligned with the silly (and recent) notion that you cannot be justified in killing someone unless they have assaulted you first. The immediate danger to your life is what matters, and that's been the standard in common law for centuries. You cannot wait until you've almost been killed or (obviously) KILLED killed to react defensively. Han Solo could not have survived in the world he lived in if he waited until everyone about to shoot him shot first before he shot back. So yes, the scene did reveal something about him (that he's no chump), and that's why the change was criticized.
I also think the original was better dramatically because it ratchets up the tension, the smoke cloud obscures the action so you don't know who shot, and when the smoke clears Han is the victor. It's also difficult to believe that Greedo would have missed from across the table.
Complete thread:
- Latest Star Wars Trailer is UP -
TheeChaos,
2015-04-16, 16:17
- Old Han Solo -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 16:20
- Old Han Solo -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-16, 16:28
- Old Han Solo -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 16:30
- Old Han Solo -
Grizzlei,
2015-04-16, 16:37
- +1 - ZackDark, 2015-04-16, 16:41
- +2 - Schedonnardus, 2015-04-16, 17:04
- Old Han Solo -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-04-16, 17:43
- Old Han Solo - Grizzlei, 2015-04-16, 17:45
- Meh. We all know what happens when you use stunt doubles... - Ragashingo, 2015-04-16, 17:46
- Old Han Solo -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 18:12
- I imagine that probably had something to do with this. - iconicbanana, 2015-04-16, 18:21
- Does anyone else -
Chewbaccawakka,
2015-04-16, 18:49
- Does anyone else -
Kermit,
2015-04-16, 18:53
- Does anyone else -
Chewbaccawakka,
2015-04-16, 18:55
- Does anyone else -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-16, 18:57
- Does anyone else - Chewbaccawakka, 2015-04-16, 18:59
- Does anyone else -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-16, 18:57
- Does anyone else -
Chewbaccawakka,
2015-04-16, 18:55
- Does anyone else -
Kermit,
2015-04-16, 18:53
- Old Han Solo -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-16, 20:32
- Old Han Solo - INSANEdrive, 2015-04-16, 21:20
- Old Han Solo -
Kermit,
2015-04-16, 22:19
- Old Han Solo -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-16, 23:06
- Don't white wash the man's crimes! -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-16, 23:26
- This guy gets it... -
Korny,
2015-04-16, 23:42
- this - Schedonnardus, 2015-04-17, 14:16
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-17, 17:14
- This guy gets it... -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-17, 17:21
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-17, 17:29
- This guy gets it... - ZackDark, 2015-04-17, 22:41
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-17, 17:29
- This guy gets it... -
Kermit,
2015-04-17, 17:49
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-18, 15:43
- This guy gets it... -
Kermit,
2015-04-20, 13:50
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-20, 16:27
- This guy gets it... -
Kermit,
2015-04-20, 16:46
- Best part about that scene: - iconicbanana, 2015-04-20, 16:49
- You guys had subtitles?! - ZackDark, 2015-04-20, 17:23
- This guy gets it... - Ragashingo, 2015-04-20, 17:24
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-20, 17:35
- This guy gets it... -
Kermit,
2015-04-20, 17:40
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-20, 17:51
- This guy gets it... - Kermit, 2015-04-20, 19:27
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-20, 17:51
- This guy gets it... -
Kermit,
2015-04-20, 17:40
- This guy gets it... -
Kermit,
2015-04-20, 16:46
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-20, 16:27
- This guy gets it... -
Kermit,
2015-04-20, 13:50
- This guy gets it... -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-18, 15:43
- This guy gets it... -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-17, 17:21
- This guy gets it... -
Korny,
2015-04-16, 23:42
- Don't white wash the man's crimes! -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-16, 23:26
- Old Han Solo -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-16, 23:06
- he shot first because he had to -
scarab,
2015-04-17, 20:38
- Sounds like a good case of self defense to me. - Quirel, 2015-04-17, 21:16
- he shot first because he had to -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-18, 15:50
- Bad logic. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-18, 16:27
- Bad logic. -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-19, 19:28
- Bad logic. - ZackDark, 2015-04-19, 19:36
- Bad logic. -
General Vagueness,
2015-04-19, 19:28
- Bad logic. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-18, 16:27
- Old Han Solo -
Grizzlei,
2015-04-16, 16:37
- Old Han Solo -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 16:30
- Old Han Solo -
CyberKN,
2015-04-16, 16:30
- Old Han Solo -
ZackDark,
2015-04-16, 16:32
- Old Han Solo - kidtsunami, 2015-04-16, 16:37
- Old Han Solo -
ZackDark,
2015-04-16, 16:32
- Old Han Solo -
Kermit,
2015-04-16, 16:45
- Old Han Solo - CyberKN, 2015-04-16, 16:50
- Old Han Solo -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 18:13
- Old Han Solo -
Kermit,
2015-04-16, 18:22
- Man, if he thinks Harrison Ford looks bad... - iconicbanana, 2015-04-16, 19:07
- Old Han Solo -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 19:21
- Old Han Solo - Speedracer513, 2015-04-16, 19:31
- Old Han Solo -
Quirel,
2015-04-17, 19:56
- Old Han Solo - iconicbanana, 2015-04-17, 20:06
- Old Han Solo -
Kermit,
2015-04-16, 18:22
- Wookie lifespan is around 400 years. - biggy, 2015-04-16, 16:51
- Old Han Solo -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-16, 16:28
- Someone Slit My Throat. -
Morpheus,
2015-04-16, 16:45
- Someone Slit My Throat. - Kermit, 2015-04-16, 16:47
- Confused. Does that mean you hate it or can't bare to wait? - INSANEdrive, 2015-04-16, 17:00
- Someone Slit My Throat. -
Morpheus,
2015-04-17, 03:54
- Someone Slit My Throat. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-17, 03:56
- Are the despecialized editions worth tracking down? -
kidtsunami,
2015-04-17, 11:55
- And can you point us in the right direction?... -
Mid7night,
2015-04-17, 12:28
- I have all 3 and will let anyone borrow my digital backups - JDQuackers, 2015-04-17, 14:09
- And can you point us in the right direction?... - Vortech, 2015-04-18, 02:29
- And can you point us in the right direction?... -
Mid7night,
2015-04-17, 12:28
- Are the despecialized editions worth tracking down? -
kidtsunami,
2015-04-17, 11:55
- Someone Slit My Throat. -
Kermit,
2015-04-17, 10:42
- Someone Slit My Throat. - Penthesilean, 2015-04-17, 12:12
- Sounds like you hate Star Wars fans - kidtsunami, 2015-04-17, 11:52
- TL;DR - Hates he isn't part of the party.Doesn't understand. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-04-17, 12:38
- Hey now. Maybe he just saw this first. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 12:42
- Unlikely. 1978. Point noted all the same. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-04-17, 13:04
- He's begging for death after a trailer announcement. - iconicbanana, 2015-04-17, 13:11
- Unlikely. 1978. Point noted all the same. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-04-17, 13:04
- Hey now. Maybe he just saw this first. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 12:42
- Someone Slit My Throat. - General Vagueness, 2015-04-17, 16:55
- Someone Slit My Throat. - General Vagueness, 2015-04-19, 19:56
- Someone Slit My Throat. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-17, 03:56
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
dogcow,
2015-04-16, 16:59
- So you've shielded him from...those other ones? -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-16, 17:01
- So you've shielded him from...those other ones? -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-04-16, 19:34
- So you've shielded him from...those other ones? - iconicbanana, 2015-04-16, 19:36
- So you've shielded him from...those other ones? -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-04-16, 19:34
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
CyberKN,
2015-04-16, 17:06
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
dogcow,
2015-04-16, 17:10
- Trying really hard not to get excited. - Kermit, 2015-04-16, 17:25
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
Schedonnardus,
2015-04-16, 17:30
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 18:18
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
CaneCutter,
2015-04-16, 19:07
- Trying really hard not to get excited. - Korny, 2015-04-17, 02:03
- Trying really hard not to get excited. - JDQuackers, 2015-04-17, 01:12
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
CaneCutter,
2015-04-16, 19:07
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 18:18
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 18:16
- Which makes me really angry. -
Kermit,
2015-04-16, 18:25
- Which makes me really angry. -
Korny,
2015-04-17, 01:44
- Which makes me really angry. - iconicbanana, 2015-04-17, 01:53
- Which makes me really angry. -
Korny,
2015-04-17, 01:44
- You can get them on DVD. -
Xenos,
2015-04-16, 20:25
- You can get them on DVD. -
dogcow,
2015-04-16, 21:32
- You can get them on DVD. - Xenos, 2015-04-17, 00:14
- You can get them on DVD. -
dogcow,
2015-04-16, 21:32
- Which makes me really angry. -
Kermit,
2015-04-16, 18:25
- Trying really hard not to get excited. -
dogcow,
2015-04-16, 17:10
- Why? Get excited - Cody Miller, 2015-04-17, 02:34
- So you've shielded him from...those other ones? -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-16, 17:01
- Hyped - RC, 2015-04-16, 17:33
- Star Wars Battlefront Trailer is UP -
JDQuackers,
2015-04-17, 18:21
- No Thanks. -
CyberKN,
2015-04-17, 18:37
- Sound Logic. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 18:39
- I'm not familiar enough with Jurassic Park to get this. -
CyberKN,
2015-04-17, 18:46
- You nearly were quoting the movie! -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 18:50
- Okay, that's what I suspected. -
CyberKN,
2015-04-17, 18:54
- Most definitely. - iconicbanana, 2015-04-17, 18:55
- Okay, that's what I suspected. -
CyberKN,
2015-04-17, 18:54
- You nearly were quoting the movie! -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 18:50
- I'm not familiar enough with Jurassic Park to get this. -
CyberKN,
2015-04-17, 18:46
- No Thanks. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-17, 20:11
- ITT we now post Lucasarts nostalgia bombs. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 20:15
- ITT we now post Lucasarts nostalgia bombs. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 20:18
- ITT we now post Lucasarts nostalgia bombs. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-17, 20:26
- Yes. - ZackDark, 2015-04-17, 22:44
- ITT we now post Lucasarts nostalgia bombs. -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-17, 20:26
- ITT we now post Lucasarts nostalgia bombs. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 20:18
- ITT we now post Lucasarts nostalgia bombs. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 20:15
- You know - RaichuKFM, 2015-04-18, 11:03
- Sound Logic. -
iconicbanana,
2015-04-17, 18:39
- Star Wars Battlefront Trailer is UP - Phoenix_9286, 2015-04-17, 18:40
- One glaring problem. -
INSANEdrive,
2015-04-17, 19:09
- Totally agreed... -
Korny,
2015-04-17, 19:13
- +1 - Grizzlei, 2015-04-17, 22:00
- Totally agreed... -
Korny,
2015-04-17, 19:13
- No space combat = not interested -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-04-18, 11:44
- No space combat = not interested - Vortech, 2015-04-19, 01:53
- No Thanks. -
CyberKN,
2015-04-17, 18:37
- I filmed a Star Wars Casting Parody - Kahzgul, 2015-04-17, 22:19
- Relevant *IMG* - Speedracer513, 2015-04-18, 10:04
- Hyped. - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-04-18, 12:08
- Old Han Solo -
Cody Miller,
2015-04-16, 16:20