
Potential solution (Destiny)
I'm certainly capable of playing the game in that frame of mind... I often do :) But when you're playing Trials of Osiris against the very best players in the world, all of these little differences suddenly matter. If you're facing a player who has mastered the Hunter's Blink-jump maneuver and is also armed with a shotgun that happens to be rolled for slightly more range than yours is (even though you both have the "same" gun), it can be extremely frustrating. I LOVE the competitive nature of Trials of Osiris, but I do feel like all the random perks and ability to re-roll weapons muddies the waters in a way that causes problems for that game mode.
I guess it's no real coincidence that I don't play Trials. ;)
One of the funny things about this "random perk" issue is that it doesn't seem to effect the primary weapon combat so much. I think the reason for that is that the best PvP primary weapons in the game are all exotics or raid/ToO weapons that come with set perks. So you can get a vendor weapon and re-roll it to be very effective, but it won't dominate the game. From there, you can work your way up to the best of the best (a thorn, last word, messenger, etc) and when you get there you will be on completely even footing with everyone else who is using those same weapons.
But in the Special and Heavy weapon categories, the opposite is true. Most of the best special weapons in the game are vendor or crucible guns that have been re-rolled to perfection. So getting Felwinter's Lie isn't enough... you need to spend thousands and thousands of glimmer on re-rolling to the perfect combo of perks just to get on an even footing with some other players. That feels problematic to me.
If we had and exotic or raid shotgun that went toe-to-toe with a perfectly rolled Felwinter's Lie, I think that would help a lot. I was hoping the Trials of Osiris weapons would fill this roll. The primary weapons are fantastic (I actually smile when I see an enemy team full of Thorns, because I know I can beat them with my Messenger ;p), but the sniper, fusion rifle, and shotgun all fail to compete with the best PvP guns already out there.
Hopefully this is something that Bungie can add in the future :)
Complete thread:
- Mini Rant: Big Problem! No two guns are ever the same. -
dogcow,
2015-07-24, 15:16
- Agree -
CyberKN,
2015-07-24, 15:24
- Happened to Queen auto rifle too. - Funkmon, 2015-07-24, 15:51
- Mini Rant: Big Problem! No two guns are ever the same. - Kermit, 2015-07-24, 15:28
- Big feature! No two guns are ever the same! -
Funkmon,
2015-07-24, 15:48
- Only if you have the resources to reroll for it... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-24, 16:01
- Only if you have the resources to reroll for it... -
Funkmon,
2015-07-24, 16:33
- I'd be totally fine with that. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-24, 17:56
- We will have to disagree.
- Funkmon, 2015-07-24, 19:30
- We will have to disagree.
- I'd be totally fine with that. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-24, 17:56
- Only if you have the resources to reroll for it... -
Funkmon,
2015-07-24, 16:33
- Only if you have the resources to reroll for it... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-24, 16:01
- Mini Rant: Big Problem! No two guns are ever the same. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-24, 15:51
- Agreed!! - TheeChaos, 2015-07-24, 16:06
- Mini Rant: Big Problem! No two guns are ever the same. -
slycrel,
2015-07-24, 15:59
- Mini Rant: Big Problem! No two guns are ever the same. - stabbim, 2015-07-24, 16:14
- Mini Rant: Big Problem! No two guns are ever the same. -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-24, 16:19
- not much, just re-rolling my Dyson for perfect suction -
Vortech,
2015-07-24, 16:24
- not much, just re-rolling my Dyson for perfect suction -
cheapLEY,
2015-07-24, 16:32
- not much, just re-rolling my Dyson for perfect suction -
Funkmon,
2015-07-24, 16:37
- not much, just re-rolling my Dyson for perfect suction -
cheapLEY,
2015-07-24, 16:42
- I agree. Must invest to try it out is unhappy. -
dogcow,
2015-07-24, 16:49
- I agree. Must invest to try it out is unhappy. - Cody Miller, 2015-07-24, 16:50
- not much, just re-rolling my Dyson for perfect suction - Funkmon, 2015-07-24, 17:17
- I agree. Must invest to try it out is unhappy. -
dogcow,
2015-07-24, 16:49
- not much, just re-rolling my Dyson for perfect suction -
cheapLEY,
2015-07-24, 16:42
- not much, just re-rolling my Dyson for perfect suction -
Funkmon,
2015-07-24, 16:37
- not much, just re-rolling my Dyson for perfect suction -
cheapLEY,
2015-07-24, 16:32
- Mini Rant: Big Problem! No two guns are ever the same. - narcogen, 2015-07-26, 03:07
- not much, just re-rolling my Dyson for perfect suction -
Vortech,
2015-07-24, 16:24
- Mini Rant: Big Problem! No two guns are ever the same. -
dogcow,
2015-07-24, 16:43
- Mini Rant: Big Problem! No two guns are ever the same. - Cody Miller, 2015-07-24, 16:48
- Mini Rant: Big Problem! No two guns are ever the same. - slycrel, 2015-07-24, 17:36
- I agree completely! - naturl selexion, 2015-07-24, 21:26
- Disagree -
someotherguy,
2015-07-25, 00:12
- Disagree -
dogcow,
2015-07-25, 01:28
- Disagree -
someotherguy,
2015-07-25, 10:19
- Disagree -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-25, 15:16
- Disagree -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-25, 15:25
- Disagree - Xenos, 2015-07-25, 15:29
- Disagree -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-25, 15:31
- Disagree -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-25, 15:38
- Potential solution -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-25, 16:01
- Potential solution -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-25, 17:03
- Potential solution -
Ragashingo,
2015-07-25, 17:53
- Potential solution - dogcow, 2015-07-26, 20:32
- Potential solution -
Ragashingo,
2015-07-25, 17:53
- Potential solution -
Cody Miller,
2015-07-25, 17:03
- Potential solution -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-25, 16:01
- Disagree - someotherguy, 2015-07-26, 09:54
- Disagree -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-25, 15:38
- This . . . - cheapLEY, 2015-07-26, 02:09
- Disagree -
someotherguy,
2015-07-26, 09:50
- Not possible right now -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-26, 11:16
- Not true... -
Korny,
2015-07-26, 12:18
- Yes, it is true :) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-26, 12:27
- Different Perks, same end result - someotherguy, 2015-07-26, 13:16
- Yes, it is true :) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-26, 12:27
- It definitely is - someotherguy, 2015-07-26, 13:08
- Not true... -
Korny,
2015-07-26, 12:18
- Not possible right now -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-26, 11:16
- Disagree -
Claude Errera,
2015-07-25, 15:25
- Disagree -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-07-25, 15:16
- Disagree -
Mid7night,
2015-07-25, 17:48
- Disagree - someotherguy, 2015-07-26, 10:00
- Disagree -
someotherguy,
2015-07-25, 10:19
- Disagree -
dogcow,
2015-07-25, 01:28
- Agree -
CyberKN,
2015-07-24, 15:24