You're both wrong, but it's okay to have a positive attitude (Destiny)
Agreed, everything points towards Bungie initiating the move.
I mean, with disappointing sales and a poor reception to alternate monetization to boost poor mtx sales, of course Bungie had the upper hand.
Publishers routinely announce disappointment regardless of how well a title performs. It looks to me like Bungie called their bluff on this point.
Bungie had the upper hand because they wrote it into the contract. The terms under which Activision could walk away with IP ownership were limited.
I think a variation of the scenario with Microsoft occurred, something along these lines:
Bungie is unhappy with Activision's involvement. Either they wanted certain process changes that ATVI was unwilling to make, or Bungie just wants them gone. So the options become: ATVI says no, you can't get out without a material breach and we haven't committed one.
Fine, says Bungie. Destiny 3 is cancelled. That puts Bungie in breach at the very end of the contract and likely puts the entire mess into litigation. Royalties from past titles will be held in escrow. ATVI can walk out of this with full ownership and control of a series primarily known because of its association with the developer they just took to court, and now they have to find another studio to finish the series, or else give up and cancel it themselves.
The other option is just to let Bungie bow out. ATVI stops whatever ongoing milestone payments are due, probably agrees to stop backend maintenance payments as well, which would otherwise be owed to Bungie for another 2 years-- presumably Bungie has enough of a war chest built up, or else can use some of the NetEase money for this.
Heck, for all we know, what NetEase actually wanted wasn't "Matter" but a new "Destiny-like for China" but perhaps that was was impermissible due to the licensing to ATVI. Now all those licenses revert back to Bungie. Destiny is already more MTX-heavy in other markets.
There is no way to spin this as either a positive for ATVI or a good strategic move by them. No matter how disappointing, the savings they are getting by not supporting Bungie or marketing Destiny are not going to make up for the lost revenue, and the market knows this, which is why ATVI dropped 10% rather than going up. The market did not see this as ATVI shedding useless weight, it is instead wondering why ATVI doesn't have a solid stable of intellectual properties to develop.
What I find amazing about the entire series of moves, from the TTWO deal until now, is that as far as I can tell there has been no one consistent individual involved on Bungie's behalf on the business side. Seropian was supposedly doing that stuff way back in the beginning, but he left after the MSFT purchase. The closest candidate I can think of is Pete Parsons.
Complete thread:
- Our Destiny -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-01-10, 13:09
- Our Destiny -
ManKitten,
2019-01-10, 13:28
- Pimps at Sea, matey. -
Traxus,
2019-01-10, 13:59
- Pimps at Sea, matey. - Harmanimus, 2019-01-10, 19:37
- Pimps at Sea, matey. -
Traxus,
2019-01-10, 13:59
- Whoa. Awesome! - ncsuDuncan, 2019-01-10, 13:32
- Dear Bungie -
breitzen,
2019-01-10, 13:32
- Dear Bungie -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-10, 14:13
- Dear Bungie -
Jillybean,
2019-01-10, 14:38
- Dear Bungie -
cheapLEY,
2019-01-10, 15:00
- Dear Bungie - Jillybean, 2019-01-10, 15:09
- Dear Bungie -
cheapLEY,
2019-01-10, 15:00
- Dear Bungie -
Jillybean,
2019-01-10, 14:38
- Dear Bungie -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-10, 14:13
- Our Destiny - MacAddictXIV, 2019-01-10, 13:32
- My crazy/unlikely theory -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-01-10, 13:46
- That was my first thought as well. - cheapLEY, 2019-01-10, 13:53
- My crazy/unlikely theory -
ManKitten,
2019-01-10, 14:06
- My crazy/unlikely theory -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-10, 14:10
- My crazy/unlikely theory - ManKitten, 2019-01-10, 14:19
- My crazy/unlikely theory - FyreWulff, 2019-01-10, 14:39
- A Publisher Is Usually Necessary - digital_ronin, 2019-01-14, 11:10
- My crazy/unlikely theory -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-10, 14:10
- My crazy/unlikely theory -
squidnh3,
2019-01-10, 14:39
- My crazy/unlikely theory -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-10, 14:42
- My crazy/unlikely theory -
squidnh3,
2019-01-10, 14:54
- My crazy/unlikely theory -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-10, 14:56
- My crazy/unlikely theory - squidnh3, 2019-01-10, 15:03
- My crazy/unlikely theory -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-10, 14:56
- My crazy/unlikely theory -
squidnh3,
2019-01-10, 14:54
- My crazy/unlikely theory -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-10, 14:42
- My crazy/unlikely theory -
cheapLEY,
2019-01-10, 14:42
- My crazy/unlikely theory - Avateur, 2019-01-10, 17:54
- Wha-wha-wha-whaaat? -
Leviathan,
2019-01-10, 14:16
- Is that a Levi sighting? -
ChrisTheeCrappy,
2019-01-10, 14:25
- No. Can't be. They live only as legends. - INSANEdrive, 2019-01-10, 14:28
- Is that a Levi sighting? -
ChrisTheeCrappy,
2019-01-10, 14:25
- Our Destiny -
INSANEdrive,
2019-01-10, 14:18
- Our Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-10, 14:20
- SHUT UP CODY! - INSANEdrive, 2019-01-10, 14:21
- Our Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-10, 14:20
- Congrats, BUNGiE. - UnrealCh13f, 2019-01-10, 14:19
- Our Destiny - FyreWulff, 2019-01-10, 14:33
- Our Destiny -
BOLL,
2019-01-10, 15:07
- Our Destiny - Kermit, 2019-01-14, 12:42
- Wooo! Now, bring Marty back! -
Revenant1988,
2019-01-10, 15:35
- Wooo! Now, bring Marty back! -
cheapLEY,
2019-01-10, 16:06
- Wooo! Now, bring Marty back! -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-10, 16:08
- Wooo! Now, bring Marty back! -
cheapLEY,
2019-01-10, 16:21
- Wooo! Now, bring Marty back! -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-10, 16:53
- Wooo! Now, bring Marty back! - cheapLEY, 2019-01-10, 17:33
- Wooo! Now, bring Marty back! -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-10, 16:53
- Wooo! Now, bring Marty back! -
cheapLEY,
2019-01-10, 16:21
- Wooo! Now, bring Marty back! -
SIX min WHISTLE,
2019-01-10, 18:43
- Wooo! Now, bring Marty back! -
Kermit,
2019-01-11, 05:10
- Wooo! Now, bring Marty back! - marmot 1333, 2019-01-11, 11:42
- Fun with Titles - INSANEdrive, 2019-01-11, 11:47
- Wooo! Now, bring Marty back! -
Kermit,
2019-01-11, 05:10
- Wooo! Now, bring Marty back! -
Revenant1988,
2019-01-11, 16:16
- Wooo! Now, bring Marty back! - Avateur, 2019-01-11, 16:40
- Wooo! Now, bring Marty back! -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-10, 16:08
- Please - MartyTheElder, 2019-01-11, 20:06
- Wooo! Now, bring Marty back! -
Traxus,
2019-01-14, 16:42
- Wooo! Now, bring Marty back! - Cody Miller, 2019-01-14, 18:25
- Wooo! Now, bring Marty back! -
cheapLEY,
2019-01-10, 16:06
- Our Destiny -
zumphry,
2019-01-10, 16:04
- Our Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-10, 16:08
- Our Destiny - zumphry, 2019-01-10, 16:19
- Our Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-10, 16:08
- tl;dr Destiny not showing growth, Activision dumps Bungie. -
Korny,
2019-01-10, 16:09
- tl;dr Destiny not showing growth, Activision dumps Bungie. -
FyreWulff,
2019-01-10, 18:04
- Can we have "letters to the webmaster" back? -
Schedonnardus,
2019-01-10, 18:10
- Aren't we all secretly drunks in ape suits. - INSANEdrive, 2019-01-10, 23:13
- Can we have "letters to the webmaster" back? -
Schedonnardus,
2019-01-10, 18:10
- Bungie dumped Activision. -
narcogen,
2019-01-12, 07:12
- Bungie dumped Activision. -
metwaf100,
2019-01-12, 08:55
- You're both wrong, but it's okay to have a positive attitude -
Korny,
2019-01-12, 09:28
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
metwaf100,
2019-01-13, 05:57
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-13, 09:03
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
cheapLEY,
2019-01-13, 09:10
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-13, 10:38
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
cheapLEY,
2019-01-13, 12:18
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-01-13, 12:41
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
cheapLEY,
2019-01-13, 12:55
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-01-14, 07:01
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-14, 11:54
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-01-14, 12:25
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY - cheapLEY, 2019-01-14, 14:00
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-01-15, 06:32
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-15, 08:30
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-01-15, 08:52
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-15, 09:47
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
Kermit,
2019-01-15, 09:54
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY - Cody Miller, 2019-01-15, 10:02
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY - MacAddictXIV, 2019-01-15, 10:14
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
cheapLEY,
2019-01-15, 10:27
- 7777% agree with this. - MacAddictXIV, 2019-01-15, 10:34
- Yep. -
breitzen,
2019-01-15, 12:55
- Yep. - Cody Miller, 2019-01-15, 13:04
- Yep. -
cheapLEY,
2019-01-15, 14:22
- Yep. -
Harmanimus,
2019-01-15, 16:17
- Yep. -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-01-16, 06:53
- Yep. -
Kermit,
2019-01-16, 07:39
- Yep. -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-01-16, 08:16
- Yep. -
Kermit,
2019-01-16, 08:58
- Yep. -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-01-16, 09:24
- Yep. - Kermit, 2019-01-16, 13:01
- Yep. -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-16, 13:46
- Yep. -
Ragashingo,
2019-01-16, 14:40
- Yep. -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-16, 14:52
- Yep. -
Ragashingo,
2019-01-16, 15:11
- Yep. -
cheapLEY,
2019-01-16, 15:36
- MotS -
Ragashingo,
2019-01-16, 16:20
- MotS - Cody Miller, 2019-01-17, 11:04
- If it makes you feel any better about the situation... -
EffortlessFury,
2019-01-17, 14:08
- If it makes you feel any better about the situation... -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-17, 14:45
- If it makes you feel any better about the situation... -
EffortlessFury,
2019-01-17, 16:38
- If it makes you feel any better about the situation... -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-17, 18:44
- If it makes you feel any better about the situation... - EffortlessFury, 2019-01-18, 02:31
- If it makes you feel any better about the situation... -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-17, 18:44
- If it makes you feel any better about the situation... -
Robot Chickens,
2019-01-18, 00:21
- If it makes you feel any better about the situation... -
Kermit,
2019-01-18, 08:12
- If it makes you feel any better about the situation... - Cody Miller, 2019-01-18, 10:15
- If it makes you feel any better about the situation... -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-18, 08:57
- If it makes you feel any better about the situation... -
Kermit,
2019-01-18, 10:30
- If it makes you feel any better about the situation... - Cody Miller, 2019-01-18, 10:48
- Vinyl -
Ragashingo,
2019-01-18, 10:53
- Vinyl - Kermit, 2019-01-18, 12:11
- If it makes you feel any better about the situation... -
Robot Chickens,
2019-01-18, 11:01
- If it makes you feel any better about the situation... - Cody Miller, 2019-01-18, 11:18
- If it makes you feel any better about the situation... -
Kermit,
2019-01-18, 10:30
- If it makes you feel any better about the situation... -
Kermit,
2019-01-18, 08:12
- If it makes you feel any better about the situation... -
EffortlessFury,
2019-01-17, 16:38
- If it makes you feel any better about the situation... -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-17, 14:45
- MotS -
Ragashingo,
2019-01-16, 16:20
- Yep. - Cody Miller, 2019-02-04, 16:11
- Yep. -
cheapLEY,
2019-01-16, 15:36
- Yep. -
Ragashingo,
2019-01-16, 15:11
- Yep. -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-16, 14:52
- Yep. -
Ragashingo,
2019-01-16, 14:40
- Yep. -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-01-16, 09:24
- Yep. -
Kermit,
2019-01-16, 08:58
- Yep. -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-01-16, 08:16
- Yep. -
Kermit,
2019-01-16, 07:39
- Yep. -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-01-16, 06:53
- Yep. -
Harmanimus,
2019-01-15, 16:17
- I'm with Cody on this. -
Kermit,
2019-01-15, 15:42
- I'm with Cody on this. -
Malagate,
2019-01-16, 07:35
- I'm with Cody on this. -
Kermit,
2019-01-16, 07:49
- I'm with Cody on this. - Malagate, 2019-01-16, 08:00
- I'm with Cody on this. -
Funkmon,
2019-01-17, 06:19
- I'm with Cody on this. -
Kermit,
2019-01-17, 06:32
- But you can -
Harmanimus,
2019-01-17, 09:18
- But you can - Cody Miller, 2019-01-17, 10:21
- But you can -
Harmanimus,
2019-01-17, 09:18
- I'm with Cody on this. -
Kermit,
2019-01-17, 06:32
- I'm with Cody on this. -
Kermit,
2019-01-16, 07:49
- I'm with Cody on this. -
Malagate,
2019-01-16, 07:35
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
Kermit,
2019-01-15, 09:54
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-15, 09:47
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-01-15, 08:52
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-15, 08:30
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
CruelLEGACEY,
2019-01-14, 12:25
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-14, 11:54
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-01-14, 07:01
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
cheapLEY,
2019-01-13, 12:55
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
MacAddictXIV,
2019-01-13, 12:41
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
cheapLEY,
2019-01-13, 12:18
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-13, 10:38
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY - Kermit, 2019-01-14, 06:20
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
cheapLEY,
2019-01-13, 09:10
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
Cody Miller,
2019-01-13, 09:03
- You're both wrong, but it's okay to have a positive attitude -
narcogen,
2019-01-14, 05:18
- You're both wrong, but it's okay to have a positive attitude -
Harmanimus,
2019-01-14, 12:36
- Stock drop caused "investigation" not the other way around. -
narcogen,
2019-01-15, 06:21
- Stock drop caused "investigation" not the other way around. - Harmanimus, 2019-01-15, 14:28
- Stock drop caused "investigation" not the other way around. -
narcogen,
2019-01-15, 06:21
- You're both wrong, but it's okay to have a positive attitude - metwaf100, 2019-01-16, 06:41
- You're both wrong, but it's okay to have a positive attitude -
Harmanimus,
2019-01-14, 12:36
- HAHAAHAHA FUNNY -
metwaf100,
2019-01-13, 05:57
- You're both wrong, but it's okay to have a positive attitude -
Korny,
2019-01-12, 09:28
- Bungie dumped Activision. -
metwaf100,
2019-01-12, 08:55
- tl;dr Destiny not showing growth, Activision dumps Bungie. -
FyreWulff,
2019-01-10, 18:04
- Chinese curse -
Kermit,
2019-01-10, 18:40
- Bungie is FREE -
metwaf100,
2019-01-11, 00:56
- Alright. Who snuck a sock into Bungie Headquarters? *NM* - INSANEdrive, 2019-01-11, 11:50
- Bungie is FREE -
metwaf100,
2019-01-11, 00:56
- Best take in here -
electricpirate,
2019-01-10, 21:23
- "That D2 puzzle was so difficult even Activision gave up" - INSANEdrive, 2019-01-10, 23:10
- rofl - Claude Errera, 2019-01-11, 00:28
- Ha! - Kermit, 2019-01-11, 05:04
- Our Destiny -
SonofMacPhisto,
2019-01-11, 13:31
- Our Destiny -
Avateur,
2019-01-11, 16:41
- Life is good, friend! Hope you are well too. *NM* - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-01-11, 22:29
- [waves] -
Kermit,
2019-01-12, 18:06
- <3 - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-01-26, 11:50
- You're alive! -
stabbim,
2019-01-14, 07:56
- Any sign of the Chief? I think we lost him. - SonofMacPhisto, 2019-01-26, 11:51
- Our Destiny -
Avateur,
2019-01-11, 16:41
- Our Destiny -
ManKitten,
2019-01-10, 13:28