
Prison of Elders Impressions (Destiny)
Just wanted to say a few things about the new PoE mode.
First of all, I typically love survival/horde modes. I was a huge fan of Horde in Gears of War 2&3, and ODST Firefight was a blast. So I went in to PoE expecting to have a good time.
I've run through PoE several times now: level 28 and 32 twice each (as a 32 Guardian) and I just now finished a level 34 run as a 33 guardian.
I did the 34 run just now with Cyber and Vortech. I had a good time as always, because they're both lots of fun to play with. But when I think about the experience of PoE itself, my first thought is "I don't want to do that ever again".
I think all great horde modes have 1 thing in common: they give your team the opportunity to fortify a location against incoming waves of foes. This is 99% an issue of map design and enemy spawn locations. Your team should have the ability to find a spot on the map and say "this is our base, let's lock it down". In a well designed map, these defendable zones are never bulletproof, but they offer a geometry layout that gives the player the ability to take cover, move around, react to flanking maneuvers, etc.
The arenas in PoE offer almost none of this. It's just messy chaos, all the time. There are very few positions that are in any way defendable, and the ones that are quickly devolve into the worst form of Halo/Halo 2 camping routines (you know, those battles where you spend the entire time crouching behind a box, moving an inch to take a shot, almost dying, move an inch back, repeat).
Adding to the mess is that enemies will sometimes spawn right smack in the middle of the arena. During a round against the Fallen, I took position on top of a large platform near the center. Not perfectly safe, but some decent cover and sightlines. Just as I though "let's see if I can make this work", a captain, 2 dregs and a servitor spawned directly on top of me.
The best horde modes reward teams for coming up with tactical formations and strategies, and allow room for improvement of execution (very much like raids in that regard). Playing on higher difficulty settings should feel challenging, but not limiting. The most coordination PoE really allows on higher difficulty settings is "everyone get in the bubble now".
I'm sure some people will love PoE, but for me it is a huge miss. The fact that PoE is all we have for top-level PvE content really bums me out. I thought I'd be ok with no new raid until Comet, but now I'm not so sure. Which is a shame. I really enjoyed the rest of the House of Wolves content (aside from Trials of Osiris... no interest in that, personally). I got my Fatebringer upgraded, and... Well I don't really want to play it anymore to upgrade anything else.
I guess this is how none-raiders have felt since launch? ;)
Complete thread:
- Prison of Elders Impressions -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-21, 06:05
- Prison of Elders Impressions -
Cody Miller,
2015-05-21, 06:21
- Prison of Elders Impressions - DreadPirateWes, 2015-05-21, 07:40
- Prison of Elders Impressions - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-21, 10:10
- Its what I have been wanting -
TheeChaos,
2015-05-21, 09:47
- Its what I have been wanting - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-21, 10:17
- Prison of Elders Impressions -
Monochron,
2015-05-21, 12:36
- Prison of Elders Impressions -
stabbim,
2015-05-21, 12:47
- Prison of Elders Impressions -
Cody Miller,
2015-05-21, 15:14
- Prison of Elders Impressions -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-21, 15:21
- *Scientific Process fistbump* -
someotherguy,
2015-05-22, 00:25
- My bromance for you continues, thatalsodude.
- iconicbanana, 2015-05-22, 00:42
- My bromance for you continues, thatalsodude.
- *Scientific Process fistbump* -
someotherguy,
2015-05-22, 00:25
- Prison of Elders Impressions -
unoudid,
2015-05-21, 16:24
- Same. Can strategically force a teleport, too.
- Funkmon, 2015-05-21, 18:07
- Same. Can strategically force a teleport, too.
- Prison of Elders Impressions - Monochron, 2015-05-21, 23:28
- Prison of Elders Impressions -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-21, 15:21
- Prison of Elders Impressions -
Cody Miller,
2015-05-21, 15:14
- Prison of Elders Impressions -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-21, 12:49
- You busy tonight? -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-21, 12:49
- Betrayal -
unoudid,
2015-05-21, 14:02
- Ha! - iconicbanana, 2015-05-21, 14:04
- You busy tonight? -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-21, 14:15
- Might run it twice tonight, so will do.
- iconicbanana, 2015-05-21, 14:16
- Might run it twice tonight, so will do.
- Betrayal -
unoudid,
2015-05-21, 14:02
- You busy tonight? -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-21, 12:49
- You only get teleported if you're AFK, I believe.
- CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-21, 13:09
- Not sure about that -
Beorn,
2015-05-21, 14:23
- Not sure about that - unoudid, 2015-05-21, 14:26
- Not sure about that -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-21, 14:28
- Not sure about that - CyberKN, 2015-05-21, 14:39
- Not sure about that - DiscipleN2k, 2015-05-21, 14:50
- Nah it will teleport you out into the open if you are campin
- Monochron, 2015-05-21, 23:29
- Not sure about that -
Beorn,
2015-05-21, 14:23
- Prison of Elders Impressions -
stabbim,
2015-05-21, 12:47
- Honestly I found it more interesting than most horde modes. - iconicbanana, 2015-05-21, 12:41
- Totally opposite feelings -
Xenos,
2015-05-21, 13:08
- Totally opposite feelings - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-21, 14:11
- I think it's too early to judge yet. - slycrel, 2015-05-21, 13:23
- Prison of Elders Impressions -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-05-21, 13:59
- Prison of Elders Impressions -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-21, 14:07
- Prison of Elders Impressions - Xenos, 2015-05-21, 14:10
- Prison of Elders Impressions -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-21, 14:07
- Are modifiers and bosses random per week?
- unoudid, 2015-05-21, 14:24
- Are modifiers and bosses random per week? -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-21, 14:25
- Don't we? -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-21, 14:39
- I know. I just wanted to post that gif.
- iconicbanana, 2015-05-21, 14:40
- A perfectly valid reason. :p
- Ragashingo, 2015-05-21, 14:41
- A perfectly valid reason. :p
- I know. I just wanted to post that gif.
- Don't we? -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-21, 14:39
- Are modifiers and bosses random per week? -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-21, 14:25
- Prison of Elders is not horde mode. It is merely similar. -
Funkmon,
2015-05-21, 18:12
- Good point
- CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-21, 18:17
- Prison of Elders is not horde mode. It is merely similar. -
Cody Miller,
2015-05-21, 21:26
- Prison of Elders is not horde mode. It is merely similar. -
Claude Errera,
2015-05-21, 21:37
- Prison of Elders is not horde mode. It is merely similar. -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-05-21, 22:40
- Prison of Elders is not horde mode. It is merely similar. -
Avateur,
2015-05-22, 01:21
- Prison of Elders is not horde mode. It is merely similar. - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-22, 01:38
- Prison of Elders is not horde mode. It is merely similar. -
Avateur,
2015-05-22, 01:21
- Prison of Elders is not horde mode. It is merely similar. -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-05-21, 22:40
- Prison of Elders is not horde mode. It is merely similar. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-22, 00:43
- Prison of Elders is not horde mode. It is merely similar. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-22, 01:29
- Prison of Elders is not horde mode. It is merely similar. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-22, 03:40
- Prison of Elders is not horde mode. It is merely similar. -
someotherguy,
2015-05-22, 08:08
- Prison of Elders is not horde mode. It is merely similar. - iconicbanana, 2015-05-22, 11:20
- I think this is on purpose -- so you can't camp out
- slycrel, 2015-05-22, 12:16
- I dont think so. Or I hope not. -
someotherguy,
2015-05-22, 14:24
- Yeah, that is not how it's supposed to go down. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-22, 14:28
- Pfft, it only cost me my dignity
- someotherguy, 2015-05-22, 14:58
- Pfft, it only cost me my dignity
- Yeah, that is not how it's supposed to go down. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-22, 14:28
- I dont think so. Or I hope not. -
someotherguy,
2015-05-22, 14:24
- Prison of Elders is not horde mode. It is merely similar. -
someotherguy,
2015-05-22, 08:08
- Prison of Elders is not horde mode. It is merely similar. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-22, 03:40
- Sweet jesus that Arc-Hive-Mine portion. Murderous -
unoudid,
2015-05-22, 14:08
- Sweet jesus that Arc-Hive-Mine portion. Murderous -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-22, 14:14
- Sweet jesus that Arc-Hive-Mine portion. Murderous -
unoudid,
2015-05-22, 14:30
- Sweet jesus that Arc-Hive-Mine portion. Murderous -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-22, 14:41
- Sweet jesus that Arc-Hive-Mine portion. Murderous -
unoudid,
2015-05-22, 15:17
- Sweet jesus that Arc-Hive-Mine portion. Murderous -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-22, 16:02
- This weekend?
- unoudid, 2015-05-22, 16:16
- This weekend?
- Sweet jesus that Arc-Hive-Mine portion. Murderous - Vortech, 2015-05-22, 22:19
- Sweet jesus that Arc-Hive-Mine portion. Murderous - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-22, 22:29
- Sweet jesus that Arc-Hive-Mine portion. Murderous -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-22, 16:02
- Sweet jesus that Arc-Hive-Mine portion. Murderous -
unoudid,
2015-05-22, 15:17
- Sweet jesus that Arc-Hive-Mine portion. Murderous -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-22, 14:41
- Sweet jesus that Arc-Hive-Mine portion. Murderous -
unoudid,
2015-05-22, 14:30
- Sweet jesus that Arc-Hive-Mine portion. Murderous -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-22, 14:14
- Prison of Elders is not horde mode. It is merely similar. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-22, 01:29
- Prison of Elders is not horde mode. It is merely similar. -
Claude Errera,
2015-05-21, 21:37
- Good point
- Prison of Elders Impressions -
Vortech,
2015-05-22, 04:02
- Prison of Elders Impressions - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-22, 14:44
- Prison of Elders Impressions -
ProbablyLast,
2015-05-22, 11:35
- Prison of Elders Impressions - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-22, 14:32
- We finished 34 last night… - Beorn, 2015-05-22, 14:54
- Prison of Elders Impressions -
Cody Miller,
2015-05-21, 06:21