
Secondaries are now primaries; primaries are fall-backs (Destiny)
The new meta is sniper or shotgun, period. All "primary" weapons are actually just fall backs in case you run out of either shotgun or sniper ammo.
In Vanilla, it felt like primaries were good "well-rounded" weapons that worked in a variety of ranges, while secondaries were role specific, for either up very close or from very far away (which is why fusion rifles rocked in vanilla; they were effective in more diverse situations than other secondaries). The result was that primary weapon use wasn't concerned as much with "role" as with "feel."
We've been steadily moving away from that and towards a situation where primary weapons cannot compete with the TTK of secondaries, and there are both snipers that are effective at medium (or even close) ranges and shotguns with extremely long ranges are also easy to find. In addition, primaries are now "role" weapons - designed to specifically be effective as certain ranges rather than to simply be general purpose weapons with different feels. So you gear for your sniper or shotgun and then fill in your primary slot with a complementary role weapon (sniper + TLW, shotgun + pulse rifle).
In short: They've over-designed their weapons and the result is the elimination of choice in competitive play.
Complete thread:
- I AM SO FUCKING TIRED OF SNIPERS -
ChaosSociety,
2015-12-16, 02:21
- I AM SO FUCKING TIRED OF SNIPERS -
Ragashingo,
2015-12-16, 02:52
- Bungie didn't change snipers -
Raflection,
2015-12-16, 05:47
- Bungie didn't change snipers -
squidnh3,
2015-12-16, 10:10
- Bungie didn't change snipers - MacAddictXIV, 2015-12-16, 13:02
- Bungie didn't change snipers - Ragashingo, 2015-12-20, 03:58
- Bungie didn't change snipers -
squidnh3,
2015-12-16, 10:10
- Bungie didn't change snipers -
Raflection,
2015-12-16, 05:47
- Get gud scrub.
- Korny, 2015-12-16, 02:56
- Get gud scrub. -
MrPadraig08,
2015-12-16, 12:59
- Get gud scrub. -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-12-16, 13:05
- Get gud scrub. - Schedonnardus, 2015-12-16, 14:43
- Get gud scrub. -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-12-16, 13:05
- Get gud scrub. -
MrPadraig08,
2015-12-16, 12:59
- Snipers flourish in the absence of their natural predator -
Durandal,
2015-12-16, 12:27
- Well thought
- ZackDark, 2015-12-16, 15:53
- Snipers flourish in the absence of their natural predator - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-12-16, 16:04
- Well thought
- I AM SO FUCKING TIRED OF SNIPERS - MacAddictXIV, 2015-12-16, 12:43
- I AM SO FUCKING TIRED OF SNIPERS -
Monochron,
2015-12-16, 12:56
- 6v6 All Snipers is getting more frequent -
someotherguy,
2015-12-16, 17:03
- 6v6 All Snipers is getting more frequent -
Claude Errera,
2015-12-16, 17:30
- 6v6 All Snipers is getting more frequent - Funkmon, 2015-12-16, 17:47
- 6v6 All Snipers is getting more frequent - someotherguy, 2015-12-16, 17:58
- Screw you! I liked Blood Gulch!
- Earendil, 2015-12-16, 17:55
- Me too, but only for objective gametypes
- someotherguy, 2015-12-16, 17:57
- I loved it for snipers -
Earendil,
2015-12-16, 18:01
- I loved it for 1v1 snipers - someotherguy, 2015-12-16, 18:04
- I loved it for snipers - dogcow, 2015-12-16, 18:30
- Epic CTF Halo on Blood Gulch is best Halo
- ZackDark, 2015-12-16, 18:15
- At HIH we had a great gametype for it. - Funkmon, 2015-12-16, 18:26
- I loved it for snipers -
Earendil,
2015-12-16, 18:01
- Me too, but only for objective gametypes
- 6v6 All Snipers is getting more frequent -
Claude Errera,
2015-12-16, 17:30
- 6v6 All Snipers is getting more frequent -
someotherguy,
2015-12-16, 17:03
- Snipers are ALWAYS a problem -
someotherguy,
2015-12-16, 16:41
- Agreed. - Ragashingo, 2015-12-16, 23:17
- Unflinching should just not be a perk
- kidtsunami, 2015-12-16, 16:58
- Secondaries are now primaries; primaries are fall-backs -
Kahzgul,
2015-12-16, 17:59
- Is that better or worse than never using secondaries? -
cheapLEY,
2015-12-16, 18:08
- Is that better or worse than never using secondaries? -
Kahzgul,
2015-12-16, 18:32
- Is that better or worse than never using secondaries? - cheapLEY, 2015-12-16, 22:52
- Is that better or worse than never using secondaries? -
Kahzgul,
2015-12-16, 18:32
- Is that better or worse than never using secondaries? -
cheapLEY,
2015-12-16, 18:08
- As someone who snipes all the time... -
BeardFade,
2015-12-16, 18:08
- Actually, Unflinching does work. Kinda. - someotherguy, 2015-12-16, 18:15
- As someone who snipes all the time... - MacAddictXIV, 2015-12-16, 18:25
- Frustrating, But... - Morpheus, 2015-12-16, 18:09
- The real Crux of the sniper issue... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-12-16, 18:37
- The real Crux of the sniper issue... -
Cody Miller,
2015-12-16, 18:43
- The real Crux of the sniper issue... - MacAddictXIV, 2015-12-16, 18:51
- You just gave me an idea -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-12-16, 18:52
- Plasma weapons still sucked.
- Funkmon, 2015-12-16, 18:58
- Plasma weapons still sucked. - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-12-16, 19:07
- Plasma weapons still sucked.
- The real Crux of the sniper issue... -
dogcow,
2015-12-16, 18:47
- The real Crux of the sniper issue... - Cody Miller, 2015-12-16, 18:52
- Then there is Invective...
- MacAddictXIV, 2015-12-16, 18:53
- Then there is Invective... - Ragashingo, 2015-12-16, 23:26
- When I look at other games approaches... -
Durandal,
2015-12-17, 15:46
- When I look at other games approaches... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-12-17, 15:51
- When I look at other games approaches... -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-12-17, 15:58
- When I look at other games approaches... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-12-17, 15:59
- When I look at other games approaches... -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-12-17, 16:03
- Only P&T. - Funkmon, 2015-12-17, 16:54
- When I look at other games approaches... - Claude Errera, 2015-12-17, 16:55
- When I look at other games approaches... -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-12-17, 16:03
- When I look at other games approaches... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-12-17, 15:59
- When I look at other games approaches... - Cody Miller, 2015-12-17, 23:07
- When I look at other games approaches... -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-12-17, 15:58
- When I look at other games approaches... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-12-17, 15:51
- The real Crux of the sniper issue... -
Cody Miller,
2015-12-16, 18:43
- I AM SO FUCKING TIRED OF SNIPERS -
Ragashingo,
2015-12-16, 02:52