As someone who snipes all the time... (Destiny)

by MacAddictXIV , Seattle WA, Wednesday, December 16, 2015, 18:25 (3360 days ago) @ BeardFade

1) For those who are upset about Unflinching. I agree, it shouldn't be a perk, but that's because it doesn't work. Seriously, I've tried that perk and time and time again, I find I am no less flinch-y than before. Unflinching is not your problem, because...

2) Yes, Snipers still get staggered. I get staggered left and right while sniping. High caliber rounds are even worse. I got hit with a MIDA last night and it felt like it spun me 90 degrees, I had no chance at hitting a second shot. That being said, while getting staggered, I've managed many times to snap the reticule back on to the head and win the fight. For the record, I've primarily used Eirene and Praedyth's Revenge before that, and both have very low aim assist.

I feel like I get sniped while I have a sniper under fire way to often. Maybe I'm just bad and they are good, but I feel like if a sniper is getting shot, they should have to have a REALLY impressive shot to kill me. Maybe that's just how I think snipers should be.

The truth you need to face is that sometimes a sniper just out shot you.

More often than not, I'm sure that is true.

3) Sniping is the most logical way to play the game. It isn't cheap to do something that enables you to engage at distance. Isn't that what you would do in real life combat? Engage at a distance where your enemies weapons are less lethal? This is literally why I play as a sniper, to better control engagement distances. I recognize it's a game, but engaging at distances longer than a primary (except for scout rifles and some pulse rifles) can handle is to my advantage not just in that my gun becomes more lethal than yours, but I can find cover and run away should I become disadvantaged in a fight. That's not bullshit, that's just smart.

The problem I find is that Snipers are engaging inside of SR and PR range. I feel like snipers should win if they are outside those gun ranges, get the jump on a player or they get an impressive shot off under fire. What I'm seeing is that I'm losing to snipers at mid range when I've already engaged them i.e. they are taking body shots.

4) Snipers have not changed since day 1, so you should have a game plan as to how to counter them by now. You should know the sight lines and how to avoid them and the best places to flank them, etc. That's just part of being aware of your surroundings and situation.

I've tried this. I know I'm not the best player and I'm definitely not a great sniper, but I found out in trials this week that the best way to counter them is to just not engage them down their sight lines. The problem is, there are a lot of maps where there are only so many sight lines, so a sniper can easily switch to another sight line when you loop around the entire map to change sight lines on them.

I think good snipers actually tend to be more creative with the map than other players, recognizing new possible lines, moving specifically from cover to cover. Everyone in this forum could probably improve their PvP game just by increasing their awareness (though I know from experience, some of you are down right incredible at this, don't know how you could improve a bit more there).

I have to say that I actually tried something brand new and in trials non the less. I mixed it up and ran Juggernaut during trials. It actually worked okay. However, snipers still at a perfect line of sight on me regardless of my jugger shield. It just took 1 more shot to kill me than normal and when you can't fire back that is all it takes. Luckily for me, most of the time my team mates were good snipers. But if I HAVE to learn to be good at snipers just to counter other snipers there is a problem.

5) The only thing about snipers that bothers me is when I face a GREAT one. I'm talking the snipers capable of no-scoping/quick-scoping. The ones that can dome you from 20 feet away on the run, etc. And when that happens and my frustration has subsided, I remind myself that in all things, there are a few people who are INCREDIBLY talented, whom we call virtuosos, and I would be willing to say that there are virtuoso video game snipers out there whose thumbs always find your face while shooting. That's just something you have to live with.

This bothers me to no end. I don't really like PvP that much to begin with. But if I have to train constantly with snipers to have a chance against about 50% of all PvP matches... I don't think that really fits with Bungie's "play how you want to"