
The real Crux of the sniper issue... (Destiny)
In my opinion, it has very little to do with the weapons themselves. I think the real issue is map/gametype design. More specifically, how various maps and gametypes combine together.
A couple weeks ago, I was playing Trials of Osiris on Widow's Court. WC is without a doubt a very sniper friendly map. But not once did I feel frustrated by the abundance of sniper rifles match after match. The reason? Widow's Court has too many flanking paths and alternate routes for a team of 3 snipers to fully "lock down". Even against very skilled snipers, you always have options on that map (other than counter sniping).
On the flip side, playing a 6v6 game mode on that same map can be a nightmare if you go up against a team of strong snipers, because 5 or 6 players working together can absolutely "shut down" the entire map with a network of sniper fire. It can be infuriating to go up against.
So number of players and general map design makes a huge difference.
In addition to that, there is the way special weapons and special ammo are generally treated in Destiny. There are players in the competitive community who have suggested switching more game modes over to "inferno" rules, where players do not spawn with any special ammo. While this would certainly eliminate a lot of the initial sniper-camping, my fear is that it could easily lead to drastically lopsided matches.
In Halo, there were only ever a limited number of sniper rifles on the map at any given time. Once it spawned into the map, both teams would fight over it, and the team that got it first would gain a bit of an advantage. But in Destiny, the way ammo crates behave means that when 2 teams fight over a special ammo box, the team that claims it could suddenly have a bunch of players running around with sniper ammo, while the other team has nothing to effectively counter them.
I feel like Bungie has painted themselves into a bit of a corner with this system. The only way to make it remotely fair is to make sure everyone has it all the time, or make it extremely limited like Heavy ammo.
Complete thread:
- I AM SO FUCKING TIRED OF SNIPERS -
ChaosSociety,
2015-12-16, 02:21
- I AM SO FUCKING TIRED OF SNIPERS -
Ragashingo,
2015-12-16, 02:52
- Bungie didn't change snipers -
Raflection,
2015-12-16, 05:47
- Bungie didn't change snipers -
squidnh3,
2015-12-16, 10:10
- Bungie didn't change snipers - MacAddictXIV, 2015-12-16, 13:02
- Bungie didn't change snipers - Ragashingo, 2015-12-20, 03:58
- Bungie didn't change snipers -
squidnh3,
2015-12-16, 10:10
- Bungie didn't change snipers -
Raflection,
2015-12-16, 05:47
- Get gud scrub.
- Korny, 2015-12-16, 02:56
- Get gud scrub. -
MrPadraig08,
2015-12-16, 12:59
- Get gud scrub. -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-12-16, 13:05
- Get gud scrub. - Schedonnardus, 2015-12-16, 14:43
- Get gud scrub. -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-12-16, 13:05
- Get gud scrub. -
MrPadraig08,
2015-12-16, 12:59
- Snipers flourish in the absence of their natural predator -
Durandal,
2015-12-16, 12:27
- Well thought
- ZackDark, 2015-12-16, 15:53
- Snipers flourish in the absence of their natural predator - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-12-16, 16:04
- Well thought
- I AM SO FUCKING TIRED OF SNIPERS - MacAddictXIV, 2015-12-16, 12:43
- I AM SO FUCKING TIRED OF SNIPERS -
Monochron,
2015-12-16, 12:56
- 6v6 All Snipers is getting more frequent -
someotherguy,
2015-12-16, 17:03
- 6v6 All Snipers is getting more frequent -
Claude Errera,
2015-12-16, 17:30
- 6v6 All Snipers is getting more frequent - Funkmon, 2015-12-16, 17:47
- 6v6 All Snipers is getting more frequent - someotherguy, 2015-12-16, 17:58
- Screw you! I liked Blood Gulch!
- Earendil, 2015-12-16, 17:55
- Me too, but only for objective gametypes
- someotherguy, 2015-12-16, 17:57
- I loved it for snipers -
Earendil,
2015-12-16, 18:01
- I loved it for 1v1 snipers - someotherguy, 2015-12-16, 18:04
- I loved it for snipers - dogcow, 2015-12-16, 18:30
- Epic CTF Halo on Blood Gulch is best Halo
- ZackDark, 2015-12-16, 18:15
- At HIH we had a great gametype for it. - Funkmon, 2015-12-16, 18:26
- I loved it for snipers -
Earendil,
2015-12-16, 18:01
- Me too, but only for objective gametypes
- 6v6 All Snipers is getting more frequent -
Claude Errera,
2015-12-16, 17:30
- 6v6 All Snipers is getting more frequent -
someotherguy,
2015-12-16, 17:03
- Snipers are ALWAYS a problem -
someotherguy,
2015-12-16, 16:41
- Agreed. - Ragashingo, 2015-12-16, 23:17
- Unflinching should just not be a perk
- kidtsunami, 2015-12-16, 16:58
- Secondaries are now primaries; primaries are fall-backs -
Kahzgul,
2015-12-16, 17:59
- Is that better or worse than never using secondaries? -
cheapLEY,
2015-12-16, 18:08
- Is that better or worse than never using secondaries? -
Kahzgul,
2015-12-16, 18:32
- Is that better or worse than never using secondaries? - cheapLEY, 2015-12-16, 22:52
- Is that better or worse than never using secondaries? -
Kahzgul,
2015-12-16, 18:32
- Is that better or worse than never using secondaries? -
cheapLEY,
2015-12-16, 18:08
- As someone who snipes all the time... -
BeardFade,
2015-12-16, 18:08
- Actually, Unflinching does work. Kinda. - someotherguy, 2015-12-16, 18:15
- As someone who snipes all the time... - MacAddictXIV, 2015-12-16, 18:25
- Frustrating, But... - Morpheus, 2015-12-16, 18:09
- The real Crux of the sniper issue... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-12-16, 18:37
- The real Crux of the sniper issue... -
Cody Miller,
2015-12-16, 18:43
- The real Crux of the sniper issue... - MacAddictXIV, 2015-12-16, 18:51
- You just gave me an idea -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-12-16, 18:52
- Plasma weapons still sucked.
- Funkmon, 2015-12-16, 18:58
- Plasma weapons still sucked. - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-12-16, 19:07
- Plasma weapons still sucked.
- The real Crux of the sniper issue... -
dogcow,
2015-12-16, 18:47
- The real Crux of the sniper issue... - Cody Miller, 2015-12-16, 18:52
- Then there is Invective...
- MacAddictXIV, 2015-12-16, 18:53
- Then there is Invective... - Ragashingo, 2015-12-16, 23:26
- When I look at other games approaches... -
Durandal,
2015-12-17, 15:46
- When I look at other games approaches... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-12-17, 15:51
- When I look at other games approaches... -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-12-17, 15:58
- When I look at other games approaches... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-12-17, 15:59
- When I look at other games approaches... -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-12-17, 16:03
- Only P&T. - Funkmon, 2015-12-17, 16:54
- When I look at other games approaches... - Claude Errera, 2015-12-17, 16:55
- When I look at other games approaches... -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-12-17, 16:03
- When I look at other games approaches... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-12-17, 15:59
- When I look at other games approaches... - Cody Miller, 2015-12-17, 23:07
- When I look at other games approaches... -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-12-17, 15:58
- When I look at other games approaches... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-12-17, 15:51
- The real Crux of the sniper issue... -
Cody Miller,
2015-12-16, 18:43
- I AM SO FUCKING TIRED OF SNIPERS -
Ragashingo,
2015-12-16, 02:52