One thing Bungie does right (Destiny)

by Ragashingo , Official DBO Cryptarch, Monday, April 18, 2016, 23:59 (3234 days ago) @ cheapLEY

Why not?

Why does a developer lose the ability to enforce the rules they made in the game they made just because you don't like their rules? Does using "anything and everything" include killing other players with plastic sporks? Not their in game avatars, the actual players. It's a game with a loot system, the universal unlimited get out of jail and consequences card in gaming, so "anything and everything is justifiabl", right?

Oh come on. Seriously? You know that's not even close to a legitimate comparison. In fact, it's down right dumb. Yeah, playing a loot game gives you a license to murder actual people, that's exactly what I was saying. Don't be thick.

You (where "you" applies to anyone reading this conversation) are accepting of slipping through walls and ruining other players' PvP but not murder via spork. Ok, fine. Forget the sporks. Let's dial it back until we find the most extreme thing you will accept and the most mild thing you won't. What is the dividing line or reason that the former is acceptable and the latter isn't? Where and why does "anything and everything" actually end?

Also, see the other posts in this thread about the community managers and developers using other exploits on their streams. They haven't exactly fostered a culture in which using exploits in frowned upon, so any punishment they dole out at this point would just be bullshit hypocrisy.

Agreed.

Personally, I think players should have the responsibility to play with fairness and sportsmanship. And those that don't should be punished. And when what is and isn't fair comes into question, they should err on the side of caution, especially when not doing so negatively and adversely effects the experiences of other players.

This is just the BXR argument all over again. At the end of the day it's the developers' responsibility to test their games and make sure stuff like this doesn't occur. At the highest levels of any competitive activity, sportsmanship doesn't really factor into it. So long as the "rules" (in this case, the game itself) allow it, it will be used. It's not right or fair, but that's the way it is, and punishing the players seems like a bad way to try and fix the dev's mistake.

At the highest levels, the consequences of unsportsmanlike conduct (or at least getting caught at being unsportsmanlike) become the most severe. Fines, disqualifications from million dollar prizes, being banned from halls of fame, being kicked out of a competitive activity all together. And yet you don't want the video game player to have one ounce of responsibility for their actions?

Yes, it is a developer's responsibility to protect their players from exploits. Even a small mistake can, if not caught, affect the experiences of thousands or millions of your players. And yes, we should chastise developers for failing. But as a player, I think we also (at the very least) have the responsibility of not inflicting exploits on other players. The difference is, it is often extremely difficult for the developer to completely fulfill their responsibility. And it is often extremely easy for the player to fulfill theirs.

And yet so many excuse away the responsibility of players and place 100% of the blame on the developers... :(

If something a player does isn't fair and isn't right then... it is the developer's fault!? Above, you asked if I was being serious. I now pose that same question.