
Another comparison (Destiny)
Imagine we discussed things that are actually happening vs ones that (probably!) won't.
That, and it'd be a lot easier to talk about legitimately fuzzy cases once we get past the notion that the player is never ever in the wrong...
The fact that my example isn't happening does not make it any less fair of an example, IMO. But fair enough, let's look at an example of something that actually did happen: the Loot cave. Players found an exploit that gave engrams at a faster rate than Bungie intended. How about double or triple dipping for PoE treasure keys? Shoving the Templar off the platform? These are all examples of players going outside the predicted behaviour to achieve unintended results. Not once did Bungie punish those players. They fixed THEIR mistake, laughed it off, and moved on. And that's exactly how those situations and others like them should be handled IMO.
To be clear, I have no sympathy for people doing deliberate hacks/mods/network manipulations to gain any form of advantage. But that's not the level of behaviour that we're talking about here. We're talking about players engaging the in-game systems and mechanics in ways that give results beyond what the developers intended. Rules in any videogame are defined by 1 thing and 1 thing only: what does the game allow the player to do. I totally get that these Division players are going outside Ubisoft's intended designs. Ubisoft should fix the problems with their game and move on. I have a huge problem with PUNISHING players for engaging with these workarounds.
Complete thread:
- One thing Bungie does right -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-18, 14:53
- Very true.
- Kahzgul, 2016-04-18, 15:07
- One thing Bungie does right -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-18, 15:27
- +1
- CruelLEGACEY, 2016-04-18, 15:30
- One thing Bungie does right -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-18, 15:30
- One thing Bungie does right - Kahzgul, 2016-04-18, 16:34
- One thing Bungie does right -
Schedonnardus,
2016-04-18, 19:22
- Why not disable the wall-glitch skill?
- slycrel, 2016-04-19, 06:43
- Why not disable the wall-glitch skill?
- They could call it the "14 Day Loot & Play" deal.
- Korny, 2016-04-18, 15:33
- They could call it the "14 Day Loot & Play" deal. -
CyberKN,
2016-04-18, 15:39
- +1
- Claude Errera, 2016-04-18, 15:51
- +1
- breitzen, 2016-04-18, 16:09
- +1
- UnrealCh13f, 2016-04-18, 17:10
- Splain, plz.
- Funkmon, 2016-04-18, 20:04
- Either MCC or H5 had a big fuck-up where that was the excuse
- ZackDark, 2016-04-18, 20:10
- H4, actually.
- CyberKN, 2016-04-18, 20:10
- Oops, yeah, that
- ZackDark, 2016-04-18, 20:15
- Oops, yeah, that
- H4, actually.
- Summary... -
Korny,
2016-04-18, 20:19
- Good times
- ZackDark, 2016-04-18, 20:20
- lol
- Funkmon, 2016-04-18, 20:39
- Summary... -
stabbim,
2016-04-18, 23:40
- Summary... - uberfoop, 2016-04-19, 04:25
- Good times
- Either MCC or H5 had a big fuck-up where that was the excuse
- +1
- They could call it the "14 Day Loot & Play" deal. -
CyberKN,
2016-04-18, 15:39
- One thing Bungie does right -
Kahzgul,
2016-04-18, 16:33
- One thing Bungie does right -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-18, 16:39
- One thing Bungie does right -
Kahzgul,
2016-04-18, 18:55
- One thing Bungie does right - dogcow, 2016-04-18, 19:01
- One thing Bungie does right -
Kahzgul,
2016-04-18, 18:55
- One thing Bungie does right -
Cody Miller,
2016-04-18, 16:39
- +1
- One thing Bungie does right -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-18, 15:58
- One thing Bungie does right -
cheapLEY,
2016-04-18, 17:14
- Yup. Everyone should design around FUN first. Loot second.
- Kahzgul, 2016-04-18, 18:56
- Heh, reminds me of my favorite quote on cheating in tests - ZackDark, 2016-04-18, 20:19
- One thing Bungie does right -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-18, 22:05
- As long as they are aware of the consequences, I agree
- ZackDark, 2016-04-18, 22:46
- One thing Bungie does right -
cheapLEY,
2016-04-18, 22:49
- One thing Bungie does right -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-18, 23:59
- One thing Bungie does right -
CyberKN,
2016-04-19, 00:15
- One thing Bungie does right -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-19, 00:39
- Wait time out -
Avateur,
2016-04-19, 01:31
- Wait time out -
cheapLEY,
2016-04-19, 01:41
- I missed all of Halo 2 multiplayer. :)
- Ragashingo, 2016-04-19, 02:03
- I missed all of Halo 2 multiplayer. :)
- Wait time out -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-19, 02:02
- Wait time out - cheapLEY, 2016-04-19, 02:06
- Wait time out -
cheapLEY,
2016-04-19, 01:41
- Wait time out -
Avateur,
2016-04-19, 01:31
- One thing Bungie does right -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-19, 00:39
- The sporks shall never be forgotten -
Pyromancy,
2016-04-19, 00:55
- I know! I'm going down in history cause of them! :p
- Ragashingo, 2016-04-19, 01:00
- I know! I'm going down in history cause of them! :p
- One thing Bungie does right -
cheapLEY,
2016-04-19, 00:57
- One thing Bungie does right - Ragashingo, 2016-04-19, 01:16
- One thing Bungie does right -
CyberKN,
2016-04-19, 00:15
- One thing Bungie does right -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-18, 23:59
- One thing Bungie does right -
Kahzgul,
2016-04-18, 23:13
- Another comparison -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-18, 23:18
- Another comparison -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-19, 00:42
- Another comparison -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-19, 01:08
- Another comparison -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-19, 01:40
- Another comparison - cheapLEY, 2016-04-19, 01:43
- Didn't even care about loot, but double-dipping HoW chests? -
ZackDark,
2016-04-19, 02:06
- Seriously. -
cheapLEY,
2016-04-19, 02:08
- The racing was good. More SRL please...
- Ragashingo, 2016-04-19, 02:08
- The racing was good. More SRL please... - cheapLEY, 2016-04-19, 02:26
- The racing was good. More SRL please...
- Seriously. -
cheapLEY,
2016-04-19, 02:08
- Another comparison -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-19, 01:40
- Another comparison -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-19, 01:08
- Another comparison -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-19, 00:42
- One thing Bungie does right - Ragashingo, 2016-04-19, 00:31
- Another comparison -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-18, 23:18
- As long as they are aware of the consequences, I agree
- Yup. Everyone should design around FUN first. Loot second.
- One thing Bungie does right -
cheapLEY,
2016-04-18, 17:14
- Division actively punishes players by having no jump button.
- ProbablyLast, 2016-04-18, 18:19
- They also used exploits on their official stream -
Schedonnardus,
2016-04-18, 19:40
- ^^^ This ^^^
- CruelLEGACEY, 2016-04-18, 19:58
- They also used exploits on their official stream - Cody Miller, 2016-04-18, 20:10
- ^^^ This ^^^
- Very true.