I find it hard to be annoyed by most of them (Destiny)

by Avateur , Tuesday, April 29, 2014, 20:09 (3863 days ago) @ Leviathan

It does make sense. It also makes sense for people, on a fan forum with just as much love and fandom for Bungie and their games as the people waxing poetic about all the things, to be equally passionate in many regards about many things, sometimes in a negative way and also not presented in "the best of ways" all the time.

And about your thoughts, keep excusing yourself/others by implying that a place with "Destiny" is A-Okay for passionate positives and only neutral-to-minor negatives.

I'm receiving a defensive, rude tone, here, but I might be wrong. I really wasn't trying to incite anything! :)

I'm also not sure I'm trying to excuse myself. I'm more talking about asking myself why I am here, on a video game fan website. The conclusions I've come to is that it's for fun, meeting people to play the game with and discuss this thing they love with, and to see creations made by passionate people. I'd like to think a lot of the people here are here for the same reasons. So then I think it kind of makes sense that there tends to be more positive opinions than negative. Why would I want to hang out at a place where the reverse was true? Why would anyone?

Thanks for the reply. Obviously there would be more positives than negatives. I was never disputing that. It's the response that seemed pretty condescending. I would like to think that people here are here for the same reasons, too. Let's exclude me for a moment. Let's just look at pete's post. Pre-order BS begins. A simple sigh. Now he's a debbie downer and a whiner. Say what?

Why would you want to hang out in a place, though, where all anyone ever does is agree with each other, nothing is thought about critically, and when things are (constructively or not, btw), they're shot down, dissed, or almost frowned upon?

But I have never said there can not be more than neutral negative opinions here - in fact, I just stated to Zack that I'm personally happy with ANY kind of opinion as long as they are not offensive and inflammatory. The problem is, there tends to be correlation between the loud naysayers and people who write in an insulting or rude way, in my opinion.

We're all fans here, and that's why we care so much (even about little tiny "stupid" things like a pre-order exclusive). It just seemed like you were trying to be dismissive of the negative (constructive or otherwise) while at the same time advocating for it. My perception, though. Thanks for elaborating on what you meant, and sorry for coming off abrasive in response.

I also feel like the correlation is because, to begin with, there seems to be an issue with dissent, whether constructive or blunt. It's definitely not always a matter of the loud and forcefully opinionated with their terrible deliveries impacting the more constructive.

It's also pretty ridiculous that it seems like you're implying that people who feel negatively toward something are somehow less fans of Bungie/Destiny than those who never have anything bad to say about it. Way to be welcoming and fostering of discussion. :)

That was not my desired implication - I have made plenty of criticisms of Bungie games in my time. I may be wrong, but you write like you're angry with me, and this is when discussions go poorly. I personally have meant no ill will towards you.

Again, sorry for replying the way I did. I viewed you as just being more dismissive and almost implying that because the name "Destiny" or "Bungie" is in the url that it's time to only say the nice things. I think you hit the nail on the head about where discussions go poorly. Someone voices a complaint, it looks like maybe they're being brushed aside by another, and then there's some pretty heated responses.

You're right on just about all counts. The difference is, no one mocks or treats people poorly for being crazy blind followers who scream, "I SAW ONE CONCEPT ART PHOTO, DESTINY WILL BE THE BEST GAME EVER, TAKE ALL MY MONEY!" as opposed to "Pre-order exclusives that impact gameplay are bullshit."

Actually, I read those kinds of posts all the time as well - and have been the target of some of that mocking and poor treatment, to the point where I considered never coming back to this forum again.

I'm genuinely sorry that's happened. I'm not advocating for such a thing, either, btw. I'm drawing a comparison to say that it's all fine for people to get super irrationally (in my opinion) excited over something, but something else that negatively gets someone going seems to be off limits. I've found more often than not that the people (not all, but the majority) who disagree with things strongly are usually in agreement with the majority of positive things (and have stated such) going on here. All of that seems to be forgotten if they disagree with something using things like hyperbole, or cuss words, or stating opinions like fact.

Do some things need to be delivered better on here (positive/negative)? Yes. Will they always be? No. Doesn't mean the hammer should come down on people who are passionate, especially those who dare to disagree. And I'm sort of in disbelief that you were treated the way you were for liking things. Another ridiculous thing that shouldn't happen.