People don't know what fun is. (Destiny)
And that's the major sin of player investment systems. People like being rewarded. It is scientifically based methods on how to make people 'addicted' to things.
What gamers instead take this manipulation as is having 'fun'. They don't realize that what they're having fun doing is 'getting things handed to them', and that ends up being the main motivator to play more, because they want to get more rewards. If you stripped Destiny of all player rewards, no one would play anything. The game is too bare otherwise to be enjoyable.
And that's why I stopped playing a few weeks ago. An awareness of whether I'm playing the game because it's enjoyable, or because I'm simply being drawn in by progression and rewards systems. I must've played Assault On the Control Room hundreds of times, and Halo never needed to reward me to make me want to. In fact, if it had tried to keep me playing after I no longer enjoyed it, I may have come to dislike the game. Years ago, I sunk more hours into Unreal Tournament than a decent human ever should. There was no loot, no achievements, and no locked content. It was just fun.
I might play Destiny again if the urge strikes me, but not for gear. That high level weapon looks cool, and might be fun to play with, but there are also 20 other games in my library that will be fun right now, and not in a week or two. I'd rather focus on those.
Complete thread:
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Riceamike,
2014-10-08, 00:57
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
The Woaf,
2014-10-08, 04:08
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
HavokBlue,
2014-10-08, 04:14
- People don't know what fun is. -
Riceamike,
2014-10-08, 05:13
- ^ This. -
Postmortem,
2014-10-08, 06:21
- ^ This. -
Cody Miller,
2014-10-08, 08:47
- counterpoint. -
The Woaf,
2014-10-08, 12:17
- counterpoint. - Jillybean, 2014-10-09, 00:15
- counterpoint. -
The Woaf,
2014-10-08, 12:17
- ^ This. -
Cody Miller,
2014-10-08, 08:47
- Fun is subjective. (Rev's rant of the week) -
Revenant1988,
2014-10-08, 06:22
- Fun is subjective. (Rev's rant of the week) -
bluerunner,
2014-10-08, 07:20
- Fun is subjective. (Rev's rant of the week) -
Ragashingo,
2014-10-08, 07:33
- Fun is subjective. (Rev's rant of the week) - SonofMacPhisto, 2014-10-08, 08:01
- But what nobody says... -
HavokBlue,
2014-10-08, 08:07
- But what nobody says... - Xenos, 2014-10-08, 08:10
- But what nobody says... -
SonofMacPhisto,
2014-10-08, 08:10
- But what nobody says... -
bluerunner,
2014-10-08, 08:15
- But what nobody says... - SonofMacPhisto, 2014-10-08, 08:23
- But what nobody says... -
bluerunner,
2014-10-08, 08:15
- There is a lack of defining story moments -
Spec ops Grunt,
2014-10-08, 08:36
- There is a lack of defining story moments -
Korny,
2014-10-08, 09:00
- Good points - Yapok, 2014-10-08, 09:02
- There is a lack of defining story moments - EffortlessFury, 2014-10-08, 09:10
- There is a lack of defining story moments - Riceamike, 2014-10-08, 11:47
- There is a lack of defining story moments - stabbim, 2014-10-08, 19:26
- There is a lack of defining story moments -
Korny,
2014-10-08, 09:00
- But what nobody says... -
Ragashingo,
2014-10-08, 09:03
- But what nobody says... -
bluerunner,
2014-10-08, 09:56
- LOL these last two posts - SonofMacPhisto, 2014-10-08, 11:46
- But what nobody says... - Jabberwok, 2014-10-12, 22:26
- But what nobody says... -
bluerunner,
2014-10-08, 09:56
- Fun is subjective. (Rev's rant of the week) -
dogcow,
2014-10-08, 09:47
- Which is sad. :( -
Ragashingo,
2014-10-08, 09:58
- Yet a scientifically proven method used by businesses. - Riceamike, 2014-10-08, 11:59
- So, how do you do it? -
dogcow,
2014-10-08, 12:46
- Halo did it. Bungie forgot how. -
Riceamike,
2014-10-08, 13:24
- Halo did it. Bungie forgot how. -
Kermit,
2014-10-09, 04:57
- Halo did it. Bungie forgot how. -
uberfoop,
2014-10-09, 08:17
- Halo did it. Bungie forgot how. - Kermit, 2014-10-09, 08:35
- Halo did it. Bungie forgot how. - Claude Errera, 2014-10-09, 08:41
- Halo did it. Bungie forgot how. - stabbim, 2014-10-10, 08:50
- Halo did it. Bungie forgot how. -
uberfoop,
2014-10-09, 08:17
- Halo did it. Bungie forgot how. -
Kermit,
2014-10-09, 04:57
- Halo did it. Bungie forgot how. -
Riceamike,
2014-10-08, 13:24
- Which is sad. :( -
Ragashingo,
2014-10-08, 09:58
- Fun is subjective. (Rev's rant of the week) - Korny, 2014-10-08, 08:23
- Fun is subjective. (Rev's rant of the week) -
Ragashingo,
2014-10-08, 07:33
- This. Oh so much. - RaichuKFM, 2014-10-08, 08:24
- Bravo - The Woaf, 2014-10-08, 12:23
- Fun is subjective. (Rev's rant of the week) -
bluerunner,
2014-10-08, 07:20
- You know...I think Destiny is fun. -
Funkmon,
2014-10-08, 10:30
- You know...I think Destiny is fun. -
iconicbanana,
2014-10-08, 10:40
- You know...I think Destiny is fun. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2014-10-08, 12:31
- You know...I think Destiny is fun. -
car15,
2014-10-08, 12:34
- You know...I think Destiny is fun. - SonofMacPhisto, 2014-10-08, 12:36
- You know...I think Destiny is fun. -
iconicbanana,
2014-10-08, 12:56
- You know...I think Destiny is fun. -
car15,
2014-10-08, 13:01
- You know...I think Destiny is fun. - iconicbanana, 2014-10-08, 13:10
- You know...I think Destiny is fun. -
car15,
2014-10-08, 13:01
- You know...I think Destiny is fun. -
car15,
2014-10-08, 12:34
- You know...I think Destiny is fun. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2014-10-08, 12:31
- You know...I think Destiny is fun. - Xenos, 2014-10-08, 11:57
- You know...I think Destiny is fun. - dogcow, 2014-10-08, 14:21
- You know...I think Destiny is fun. - Jillybean, 2014-10-09, 00:18
- You know...I think Destiny is fun. -
iconicbanana,
2014-10-08, 10:40
- People don't know what fun is. - General Vagueness, 2014-10-08, 17:48
- People don't know what fun is. - RaichuKFM, 2014-10-08, 18:06
- People don't know what fun is. - Jabberwok, 2014-10-12, 22:21
- ^ This. -
Postmortem,
2014-10-08, 06:21
- People don't know what fun is. -
Riceamike,
2014-10-08, 05:13
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
HavokBlue,
2014-10-08, 04:14
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2014-10-08, 05:55
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
DerekT07,
2014-10-08, 06:14
- Nice, thank you - SonofMacPhisto, 2014-10-08, 07:55
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
DerekT07,
2014-10-08, 06:14
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Claude Errera,
2014-10-08, 08:03
- Took the words right out of my mouth - SonofMacPhisto, 2014-10-08, 08:05
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Cody Miller,
2014-10-08, 08:33
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Claude Errera,
2014-10-08, 08:35
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. - SonofMacPhisto, 2014-10-08, 08:39
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Cody Miller,
2014-10-08, 08:42
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Claude Errera,
2014-10-08, 08:45
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Cody Miller,
2014-10-08, 08:50
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Ragashingo,
2014-10-08, 09:09
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Monochron,
2014-10-08, 09:15
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Ragashingo,
2014-10-08, 09:28
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Monochron,
2014-10-08, 10:08
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Ragashingo,
2014-10-08, 10:33
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Monochron,
2014-10-08, 10:41
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Ragashingo,
2014-10-08, 10:52
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. - Monochron, 2014-10-08, 11:18
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Ragashingo,
2014-10-08, 10:52
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Monochron,
2014-10-08, 10:41
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. - Postmortem, 2014-10-08, 10:34
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Claude Errera,
2014-10-08, 12:46
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. - Monochron, 2014-10-08, 13:00
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. - Numinar, 2014-10-09, 07:43
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Ragashingo,
2014-10-08, 10:33
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Monochron,
2014-10-08, 10:08
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Xenos,
2014-10-08, 09:57
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. - Monochron, 2014-10-08, 10:37
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Ragashingo,
2014-10-08, 09:28
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. - Cody Miller, 2014-10-08, 09:20
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Monochron,
2014-10-08, 09:15
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
bluerunner,
2014-10-08, 09:14
- ^Favorite analogy ever - Mr Daax, 2014-10-08, 13:15
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. - Jabberwok, 2014-10-12, 22:33
- Bad analogy doesn't fit what is actually happening -
scarab,
2014-10-13, 13:54
- But do three bad analogies make a right? -
Ragashingo,
2014-10-13, 13:59
- But do three bad analogies make a right? -
scarab,
2014-10-13, 14:14
- But do three bad analogies make a right? -
Ragashingo,
2014-10-13, 14:48
- But do three bad analogies make a right? -
scarab,
2014-10-13, 15:22
- But do three bad analogies make a right? - Ragashingo, 2014-10-13, 15:47
- But do three bad analogies make a right? -
scarab,
2014-10-13, 15:22
- But do three bad analogies make a right? -
Ragashingo,
2014-10-13, 14:48
- To uses blue's analogy... - scarab, 2014-10-13, 14:21
- But do three bad analogies make a right? -
scarab,
2014-10-13, 14:14
- But do three bad analogies make a right? -
Ragashingo,
2014-10-13, 13:59
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Ragashingo,
2014-10-08, 09:09
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Cody Miller,
2014-10-08, 08:50
- It still is? - RaichuKFM, 2014-10-08, 08:45
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Ragashingo,
2014-10-08, 08:59
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Cody Miller,
2014-10-08, 09:01
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Ragashingo,
2014-10-08, 09:05
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Cody Miller,
2014-10-08, 09:10
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Kermit,
2014-10-08, 09:59
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Cody Miller,
2014-10-08, 10:20
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Kermit,
2014-10-08, 11:01
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. - Harmanimus, 2014-10-08, 12:51
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Kermit,
2014-10-08, 11:01
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Cody Miller,
2014-10-08, 10:20
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Kermit,
2014-10-08, 09:59
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. - Yapok, 2014-10-08, 09:10
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
car15,
2014-10-08, 11:38
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2014-10-08, 11:56
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
car15,
2014-10-08, 12:05
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Claude Errera,
2014-10-08, 13:03
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
car15,
2014-10-08, 13:07
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Claude Errera,
2014-10-08, 13:12
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. - Warbow, 2014-10-08, 13:19
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Claude Errera,
2014-10-08, 13:12
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
car15,
2014-10-08, 13:07
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Claude Errera,
2014-10-08, 13:03
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
car15,
2014-10-08, 12:05
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Kermit,
2014-10-08, 11:57
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
car15,
2014-10-08, 12:08
- A question for you, Car15 -
Revenant1988,
2014-10-08, 12:20
- A question for you, Car15 -
car15,
2014-10-08, 12:29
- A question for you, Car15 -
Revenant1988,
2014-10-08, 12:39
- A question for you, Car15 - car15, 2014-10-08, 12:55
- A question for you, Car15 -
Revenant1988,
2014-10-08, 12:39
- A question for you, Car15 -
car15,
2014-10-08, 12:29
- A question for you, Car15 -
Revenant1988,
2014-10-08, 12:20
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
car15,
2014-10-08, 12:08
- It's a discussion not a lynching - Xenos, 2014-10-08, 12:07
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Ragashingo,
2014-10-08, 14:38
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. - car15, 2014-10-08, 15:18
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
stabbim,
2014-10-10, 09:50
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. - Kermit, 2014-10-10, 10:05
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. - Ragashingo, 2014-10-13, 15:25
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2014-10-08, 11:56
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Cody Miller,
2014-10-08, 09:10
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Ragashingo,
2014-10-08, 09:05
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Cody Miller,
2014-10-08, 09:01
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Claude Errera,
2014-10-08, 08:45
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Claude Errera,
2014-10-08, 08:35
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
RC,
2014-10-08, 08:10
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
HavokBlue,
2014-10-08, 08:18
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Claude Errera,
2014-10-08, 08:30
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Kermit,
2014-10-08, 10:05
- Tried this method. Door shuts on me, game glitches out. - Funkmon, 2014-10-08, 10:32
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Kermit,
2014-10-08, 10:05
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Claude Errera,
2014-10-08, 08:30
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
HavokBlue,
2014-10-08, 08:18
- Today at breakfast... -
Oholiab,
2014-10-08, 12:00
- Today at breakfast... - iconicbanana, 2014-10-08, 12:09
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
ShadowOfTheVoid,
2014-10-08, 13:56
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Claude Errera,
2014-10-08, 14:04
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
ShadowOfTheVoid,
2014-10-08, 16:27
- I can believe it. -
LostSpartan,
2014-10-08, 16:41
- I can believe it. - Cody Miller, 2014-10-08, 19:17
- I can believe it. -
LostSpartan,
2014-10-08, 16:41
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Cody Miller,
2014-10-08, 17:16
- Except - RaichuKFM, 2014-10-08, 17:32
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Korny,
2014-10-08, 17:43
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
HavokBlue,
2014-10-08, 17:52
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Korny,
2014-10-08, 18:02
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
rliebherr,
2014-10-08, 18:57
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Kermit,
2014-10-14, 11:30
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Claude Errera,
2014-10-14, 13:38
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. - Avateur, 2014-10-14, 13:41
- Example of problem - Claude Errera, 2014-10-14, 13:50
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Claude Errera,
2014-10-14, 13:38
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Kermit,
2014-10-14, 11:30
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
rliebherr,
2014-10-08, 18:57
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Korny,
2014-10-08, 18:02
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
HavokBlue,
2014-10-08, 17:52
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
ShadowOfTheVoid,
2014-10-08, 16:27
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
Claude Errera,
2014-10-08, 14:04
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. - General Vagueness, 2014-10-08, 17:34
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. - Ibeechu, 2014-10-14, 03:00
- Last year's interview with Jason Jones is a revelation. -
The Woaf,
2014-10-08, 04:08