I think Bungie dropped the ball... (Destiny)
That is the point I was driving at: if I want to upgrade all my gear, I'm going to need a LOT of etheric light. Right now the only way to earn it is through PoE, and I don't enjoy that activity. So to progress, I need to spend an insane amount of time playing an activity I dislike.
You just told me that you have earned more from ToO than PoE. So why is it that you have to gruel your way through PoE? If you have the time, you have a better chance of getting more EL from other things than PoE. You're only guaranteed 1 EL from 34 and 35.
I should be more clear again :)
Right now the only PvE way to earn it is through PoE...
Part of my problem here is that HoW really leaves PvE players in the dust compared to the rewards PvP players can earn.
The only reason I'm directly comparing PoE to the raids is because that's the roll it now fills in Destiny's end game PvE content. I don't think it's fair to demand the same things from both modes either, but that's exactly what Bungie has done.
What if for the next expansion, Bungie releases end game PvE content that wasn't a raid or PoE? Will you compare it to a Raid? or a Raid and PoE? Just because raids came first, doesn't mean they are the standard that all PvE end game content should be held by. Bungie couldn't get a raid out the door. What they could get out the door was PoE and ToO, both end game content. You just can't compare them.
I'm only comparing them in terms of the amount of time they take and the frequency we need to replay them in order to progress. I'm saying PoE doesn't have the replay value that the raids have, but Bungie has designed the HoW content in a way that forces us to replay it A LOT to earn the most important new currency in the game.
I understand that PoE isn't what you expected. But from what it sounds like, you were expecting an experience similar to a raid. And if there is one thing I've learned about bungie, they don't do what you expect. And most of then time it take a little getting use to, but ultimately I think they make the right choice. Not a 100% of the time for a single user, but overall. And again, no company is perfect.
I didn't expect anything similar to a raid, but I was hoping for something as good as a raid. Setting raids aside completely, Prison of Elders is a totally mediocre game mode compared to other arena/survival modes. I'm generally a huge fan of this style of cooperative multiplayer. If PoE was as well designed as Mass Effect 3's multiplayer, ODST Firefight, Splinter Cell Blacklist's survival mode, or Gears 3 Horde mode, I would have zero complaints whatsoever. Well, almost zero ;)
Complete thread:
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 16:44
- I think Bungie dropped the ball too. - CyberKN, 2015-05-27, 17:02
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-05-27, 17:12
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 17:27
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-05-27, 17:54
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:08
- Bungie DID NOT drop the ball... -
Speedracer513,
2015-05-27, 18:58
- +1 - MacAddictXIV, 2015-05-27, 19:04
- Bungie DID NOT drop the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:20
- PoE is not required to progress -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-05-27, 19:28
- PoE is not required to progress - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-27, 19:39
- PoE is not required to progress -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-05-27, 19:28
- Agreed - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2015-05-27, 19:53
- Bungie DID NOT drop the ball... -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-05-27, 22:50
- I feel like Mig is quietly judging me. -
Funkmon,
2015-05-27, 23:06
- I know you clicked the link - Miguel Chavez, 2015-05-27, 23:57
- Need to clarify a few things -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 02:25
- Not really needed, but OK. -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-05-28, 16:28
- no worries - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-28, 16:35
- Need to clarify a few things -
Earendil,
2015-05-28, 19:22
- Need to clarify a few things -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 20:44
- Technically... -
someotherguy,
2015-05-28, 22:46
- Technically... -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 03:46
- Too close to call - someotherguy, 2015-05-29, 10:07
- Technically... -
Kermit,
2015-05-29, 09:34
- Technically... -
someotherguy,
2015-05-29, 10:06
- Technically... -
Kermit,
2015-05-29, 10:52
- It's difficult, because it's 100% contextual -
someotherguy,
2015-05-29, 13:06
- It's difficult, because it's 100% contextual -
Kermit,
2015-05-29, 13:49
- It's difficult, because it's 100% contextual - someotherguy, 2015-05-29, 14:12
- It's difficult, because it's 100% contextual -
Kermit,
2015-05-29, 13:49
- It's difficult, because it's 100% contextual -
someotherguy,
2015-05-29, 13:06
- Technically... -
Kermit,
2015-05-29, 10:52
- Technically... -
someotherguy,
2015-05-29, 10:06
- Stahp! -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-29, 13:13
- OBJECTION!!! -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 13:16
- OVERRULED. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-29, 13:18
- WHAAT?! -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 14:28
- Is Love? -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-29, 14:31
- Baby -
CyberKN,
2015-05-29, 14:36
- Don't hurt me. -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-05-29, 14:37
- No more. - iconicbanana, 2015-05-29, 14:41
- Don't hurt me. -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-05-29, 14:37
- Baby -
CyberKN,
2015-05-29, 14:36
- Is Love? -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-29, 14:31
- WHAAT?! -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 14:28
- OVERRULED. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-29, 13:18
- OBJECTION!!! -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 13:16
- Technically... -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 03:46
- To be clear, and technical - Earendil, 2015-06-10, 22:00
- Technically... -
someotherguy,
2015-05-28, 22:46
- Need to clarify a few things -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 20:44
- Not really needed, but OK. -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-05-28, 16:28
- Bungie DID NOT drop the ball... -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 12:25
- Why do I feel like I just got burned? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 14:35
- Why do I feel like I just got burned? - Kermit, 2015-05-28, 16:07
- Why do I feel like I just got burned? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 14:35
- I feel like Mig is quietly judging me. -
Funkmon,
2015-05-27, 23:06
- Bungie DID NOT drop the ball... -
Speedracer513,
2015-05-27, 18:58
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:08
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-27, 18:09
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:26
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-27, 18:57
- Biggest understatement ever. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 19:00
- Biggest understatement ever. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:42
- Biggest understatement ever. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 19:43
- Biggest understatement ever. - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-27, 19:49
- Biggest understatement ever. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 19:43
- Biggest understatement ever. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:42
- I think you missed something in my post... - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-27, 19:36
- You should try ToO again. -
Funkmon,
2015-05-27, 20:48
- You should try ToO again. - Ragashingo, 2015-05-27, 21:04
- Biggest understatement ever. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 19:00
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - DreadPirateWes, 2015-05-27, 18:57
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Claude Errera,
2015-05-28, 15:38
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 15:52
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Claude Errera,
2015-05-28, 15:55
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-28, 16:05
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Cody Miller,
2015-05-31, 07:20
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-05-31, 10:41
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - Cody Miller, 2015-06-01, 16:30
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-05-31, 10:41
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Claude Errera,
2015-05-28, 15:55
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 15:52
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-27, 18:57
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:26
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-05-27, 17:54
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - Doooskey, 2015-05-27, 17:31
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
stabbim,
2015-05-27, 19:32
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - MacAddictXIV, 2015-05-28, 14:21
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 17:27
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - DreadPirateWes, 2015-05-27, 17:22
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 17:36
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 17:54
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 17:56
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:15
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 18:22
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:38
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 18:39
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:47
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - MacAddictXIV, 2015-05-27, 18:52
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - Xenos, 2015-05-27, 18:55
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:47
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 18:39
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:38
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 18:22
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:15
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 17:56
- Correction: Zero, SquidNH3 and I did on Saturday. - Funkmon, 2015-05-28, 00:05
- Xbox Live vs. Playstation Network gamers -
Hoovaloov,
2015-05-28, 00:53
- agreed - Kermit, 2015-05-28, 08:17
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 17:54
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - CommandrCleavage, 2015-05-27, 17:36
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
General Vagueness,
2015-05-27, 17:43
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - Miguel Chavez, 2015-05-27, 22:56
- Yeah. - INSANEdrive, 2015-05-27, 18:10
- I think this sort of content is absolutely necessary. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 18:49
- I think this sort of content is absolutely necessary. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:05
- I think this sort of content is absolutely necessary. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 19:06
- I think this sort of content is absolutely necessary. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:48
- I just don't understand this line of reasoning. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 19:56
- I did give other reasons too, you know ;) - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-27, 20:00
- I just don't understand this line of reasoning. -
Speedracer513,
2015-05-27, 20:05
- I just don't understand this line of reasoning. - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-27, 20:16
- I just don't understand this line of reasoning. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 19:56
- Priceless -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-05-28, 03:17
- That might be me you're thinking of... - CyberKN, 2015-05-28, 03:32
- Priceless -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 04:47
- Priceless -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-05-28, 07:21
- Priceless - Kahzgul, 2015-05-28, 13:39
- Wait a minute... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 14:16
- You said almost the exact opposite a few months ago. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-28, 14:22
- Good memory :) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 14:32
- Good memory :) -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-28, 14:44
- Right there with you :) - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-28, 14:48
- Good memory :) -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-28, 14:44
- Good memory :) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 14:32
- Wait a minute... - Yapok, 2015-05-28, 14:34
- You said almost the exact opposite a few months ago. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-28, 14:22
- Priceless -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-05-28, 07:21
- I think this sort of content is absolutely necessary. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:48
- I think this sort of content is absolutely necessary. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 19:06
- Indeed. :) - Ragashingo, 2015-05-27, 19:07
- I think this sort of content is absolutely necessary. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:05
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-27, 19:19
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:58
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Earendil,
2015-05-27, 21:00
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 21:07
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 21:09
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
CyberKN,
2015-05-27, 21:11
- You make valid points on the game design, but... - Xenos, 2015-05-27, 21:58
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
CyberKN,
2015-05-27, 21:11
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-27, 21:10
- Cool! Good to know. - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-27, 21:28
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 21:09
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 21:07
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Earendil,
2015-05-27, 21:00
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Kermit,
2015-05-27, 20:14
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-27, 20:51
- Don't agree. -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-05-27, 22:44
- Why do you disagree? -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 13:37
- Why do you disagree? -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 14:21
- Why do you disagree? -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 15:29
- Why do you disagree? -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-28, 15:39
- Why do you disagree? -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 15:55
- Why do you disagree? -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-28, 16:34
- Why do you disagree? - Kahzgul, 2015-05-28, 19:07
- Why do you disagree? -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-28, 16:34
- Why do you disagree? -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 15:55
- Why do you disagree? -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-28, 15:39
- Why do you disagree? -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 15:29
- Why do you disagree? -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 14:21
- Why do you disagree? -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 13:37
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
narcogen,
2015-05-28, 02:14
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 13:32
- Simply put, you are wrong. -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-28, 15:22
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 15:42
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 16:00
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 16:01
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 16:06
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 16:15
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 16:22
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 16:26
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 17:07
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) - Kahzgul, 2015-05-28, 19:10
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 17:07
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 16:26
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 16:22
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 16:15
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 16:06
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 16:01
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 16:00
- There's an important distinction here... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 15:46
- Thank you - my point exactly! - Kahzgul, 2015-05-28, 16:07
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 15:42
- Simply put, you're not quite right. - Kermit, 2015-05-28, 15:44
- Simply put, you are wrong. -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-28, 15:22
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 13:32
- Don't agree. -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-05-27, 22:44
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-27, 20:51
- This jumped out at me -
someotherguy,
2015-05-27, 20:53
- This jumped out at me - Kahzgul, 2015-05-27, 21:00
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:58
- On a personal level, I feel the same way...but it's all fine - Funkmon, 2015-05-28, 00:00
- Is this thread bugged? -
CyberKN,
2015-05-28, 16:14
- Definitely Yes -
CyberKN,
2015-05-28, 16:14
- Trying to figure out what's up… - Beorn, 2015-05-28, 19:46
- Definitely Yes -
CyberKN,
2015-05-28, 16:14