Why do you disagree? (Destiny)
I'm of the opinion that loot systems need to account for outliers and include a raid loot counter that guarantees rewards every X raids in order to correct for the possibility of RNG-screwage.
I can't disagree with this enough.Random is random.
- M
Why do you disagree? I'd really appreciate hearing some counterpoint.I believe random is not a good reward system because - due to probability and statistics - there will be outliers who are never rewarded by that system. I feel like a good rewards system has (at the very least) checks in place to make sure that those outliers who are RNG screwed still get a reward at least some of the time so as to keep them feeling like the game is rewarding them.
Random is like saying "Hey guys, I designed our reward system! It's got a chance that no one gets anything, ever!" That's lame, and putting a couple of counters in for how many activities have been run since last loot to prevent that seems trivial
First, that's a lie about someone not getting anything, ever--many activities guarantee something--but you seem incapable of expressing yourself without hyperbole. The game provides the means for the most unlucky person to procure most of what they need to keep up with everyone else. I can't count the number of times I've had something drop for me shortly after I purchased said item. You treat RNG like it's the end all. RNG is an element of the game, but it's not the whole game.
You want the game not to have the random element, and I want to say that you want a different game, and you should find that game and go play it.
I like the RNG. It's exciting. I treat everything I get from it as a bonus. I might not get what I was hoping for, but you know, life doesn't work that way either.
Complete thread:
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 16:44
- I think Bungie dropped the ball too. - CyberKN, 2015-05-27, 17:02
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-05-27, 17:12
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 17:27
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-05-27, 17:54
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:08
- Bungie DID NOT drop the ball... -
Speedracer513,
2015-05-27, 18:58
- +1 - MacAddictXIV, 2015-05-27, 19:04
- Bungie DID NOT drop the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:20
- PoE is not required to progress -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-05-27, 19:28
- PoE is not required to progress - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-27, 19:39
- PoE is not required to progress -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-05-27, 19:28
- Agreed - Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2015-05-27, 19:53
- Bungie DID NOT drop the ball... -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-05-27, 22:50
- I feel like Mig is quietly judging me. -
Funkmon,
2015-05-27, 23:06
- I know you clicked the link - Miguel Chavez, 2015-05-27, 23:57
- Need to clarify a few things -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 02:25
- Not really needed, but OK. -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-05-28, 16:28
- no worries - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-28, 16:35
- Need to clarify a few things -
Earendil,
2015-05-28, 19:22
- Need to clarify a few things -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 20:44
- Technically... -
someotherguy,
2015-05-28, 22:46
- Technically... -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 03:46
- Too close to call - someotherguy, 2015-05-29, 10:07
- Technically... -
Kermit,
2015-05-29, 09:34
- Technically... -
someotherguy,
2015-05-29, 10:06
- Technically... -
Kermit,
2015-05-29, 10:52
- It's difficult, because it's 100% contextual -
someotherguy,
2015-05-29, 13:06
- It's difficult, because it's 100% contextual -
Kermit,
2015-05-29, 13:49
- It's difficult, because it's 100% contextual - someotherguy, 2015-05-29, 14:12
- It's difficult, because it's 100% contextual -
Kermit,
2015-05-29, 13:49
- It's difficult, because it's 100% contextual -
someotherguy,
2015-05-29, 13:06
- Technically... -
Kermit,
2015-05-29, 10:52
- Technically... -
someotherguy,
2015-05-29, 10:06
- Stahp! -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-29, 13:13
- OBJECTION!!! -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 13:16
- OVERRULED. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-29, 13:18
- WHAAT?! -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 14:28
- Is Love? -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-29, 14:31
- Baby -
CyberKN,
2015-05-29, 14:36
- Don't hurt me. -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-05-29, 14:37
- No more. - iconicbanana, 2015-05-29, 14:41
- Don't hurt me. -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-05-29, 14:37
- Baby -
CyberKN,
2015-05-29, 14:36
- Is Love? -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-29, 14:31
- WHAAT?! -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 14:28
- OVERRULED. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-29, 13:18
- OBJECTION!!! -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 13:16
- Technically... -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 03:46
- To be clear, and technical - Earendil, 2015-06-10, 22:00
- Technically... -
someotherguy,
2015-05-28, 22:46
- Need to clarify a few things -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 20:44
- Not really needed, but OK. -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-05-28, 16:28
- Bungie DID NOT drop the ball... -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 12:25
- Why do I feel like I just got burned? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 14:35
- Why do I feel like I just got burned? - Kermit, 2015-05-28, 16:07
- Why do I feel like I just got burned? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 14:35
- I feel like Mig is quietly judging me. -
Funkmon,
2015-05-27, 23:06
- Bungie DID NOT drop the ball... -
Speedracer513,
2015-05-27, 18:58
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:08
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-27, 18:09
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:26
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-27, 18:57
- Biggest understatement ever. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 19:00
- Biggest understatement ever. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:42
- Biggest understatement ever. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 19:43
- Biggest understatement ever. - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-27, 19:49
- Biggest understatement ever. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 19:43
- Biggest understatement ever. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:42
- I think you missed something in my post... - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-27, 19:36
- You should try ToO again. -
Funkmon,
2015-05-27, 20:48
- You should try ToO again. - Ragashingo, 2015-05-27, 21:04
- Biggest understatement ever. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 19:00
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - DreadPirateWes, 2015-05-27, 18:57
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Claude Errera,
2015-05-28, 15:38
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 15:52
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Claude Errera,
2015-05-28, 15:55
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-28, 16:05
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Cody Miller,
2015-05-31, 07:20
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-05-31, 10:41
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - Cody Miller, 2015-06-01, 16:30
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-05-31, 10:41
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Claude Errera,
2015-05-28, 15:55
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 15:52
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-27, 18:57
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:26
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-05-27, 17:54
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - Doooskey, 2015-05-27, 17:31
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
stabbim,
2015-05-27, 19:32
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - MacAddictXIV, 2015-05-28, 14:21
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 17:27
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - DreadPirateWes, 2015-05-27, 17:22
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 17:36
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 17:54
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 17:56
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:15
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 18:22
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:38
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 18:39
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:47
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - MacAddictXIV, 2015-05-27, 18:52
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - Xenos, 2015-05-27, 18:55
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:47
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 18:39
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:38
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 18:22
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:15
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 17:56
- Correction: Zero, SquidNH3 and I did on Saturday. - Funkmon, 2015-05-28, 00:05
- Xbox Live vs. Playstation Network gamers -
Hoovaloov,
2015-05-28, 00:53
- agreed - Kermit, 2015-05-28, 08:17
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 17:54
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - CommandrCleavage, 2015-05-27, 17:36
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
General Vagueness,
2015-05-27, 17:43
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - Miguel Chavez, 2015-05-27, 22:56
- Yeah. - INSANEdrive, 2015-05-27, 18:10
- I think this sort of content is absolutely necessary. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 18:49
- I think this sort of content is absolutely necessary. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:05
- I think this sort of content is absolutely necessary. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 19:06
- I think this sort of content is absolutely necessary. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:48
- I just don't understand this line of reasoning. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 19:56
- I did give other reasons too, you know ;) - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-27, 20:00
- I just don't understand this line of reasoning. -
Speedracer513,
2015-05-27, 20:05
- I just don't understand this line of reasoning. - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-27, 20:16
- I just don't understand this line of reasoning. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 19:56
- Priceless -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-05-28, 03:17
- That might be me you're thinking of... - CyberKN, 2015-05-28, 03:32
- Priceless -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 04:47
- Priceless -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-05-28, 07:21
- Priceless - Kahzgul, 2015-05-28, 13:39
- Wait a minute... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 14:16
- You said almost the exact opposite a few months ago. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-28, 14:22
- Good memory :) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 14:32
- Good memory :) -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-28, 14:44
- Right there with you :) - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-28, 14:48
- Good memory :) -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-28, 14:44
- Good memory :) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 14:32
- Wait a minute... - Yapok, 2015-05-28, 14:34
- You said almost the exact opposite a few months ago. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-28, 14:22
- Priceless -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-05-28, 07:21
- I think this sort of content is absolutely necessary. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:48
- I think this sort of content is absolutely necessary. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 19:06
- Indeed. :) - Ragashingo, 2015-05-27, 19:07
- I think this sort of content is absolutely necessary. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:05
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-27, 19:19
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:58
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Earendil,
2015-05-27, 21:00
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 21:07
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 21:09
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
CyberKN,
2015-05-27, 21:11
- You make valid points on the game design, but... - Xenos, 2015-05-27, 21:58
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
CyberKN,
2015-05-27, 21:11
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-27, 21:10
- Cool! Good to know. - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-27, 21:28
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 21:09
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 21:07
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Earendil,
2015-05-27, 21:00
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Kermit,
2015-05-27, 20:14
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-27, 20:51
- Don't agree. -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-05-27, 22:44
- Why do you disagree? -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 13:37
- Why do you disagree? -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 14:21
- Why do you disagree? -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 15:29
- Why do you disagree? -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-28, 15:39
- Why do you disagree? -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 15:55
- Why do you disagree? -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-28, 16:34
- Why do you disagree? - Kahzgul, 2015-05-28, 19:07
- Why do you disagree? -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-28, 16:34
- Why do you disagree? -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 15:55
- Why do you disagree? -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-28, 15:39
- Why do you disagree? -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 15:29
- Why do you disagree? -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 14:21
- Why do you disagree? -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 13:37
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
narcogen,
2015-05-28, 02:14
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 13:32
- Simply put, you are wrong. -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-28, 15:22
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 15:42
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 16:00
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 16:01
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 16:06
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 16:15
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 16:22
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 16:26
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 17:07
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) - Kahzgul, 2015-05-28, 19:10
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 17:07
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 16:26
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 16:22
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 16:15
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 16:06
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 16:01
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 16:00
- There's an important distinction here... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 15:46
- Thank you - my point exactly! - Kahzgul, 2015-05-28, 16:07
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 15:42
- Simply put, you're not quite right. - Kermit, 2015-05-28, 15:44
- Simply put, you are wrong. -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-28, 15:22
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 13:32
- Don't agree. -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-05-27, 22:44
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-27, 20:51
- This jumped out at me -
someotherguy,
2015-05-27, 20:53
- This jumped out at me - Kahzgul, 2015-05-27, 21:00
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:58
- On a personal level, I feel the same way...but it's all fine - Funkmon, 2015-05-28, 00:00
- Is this thread bugged? -
CyberKN,
2015-05-28, 16:14
- Definitely Yes -
CyberKN,
2015-05-28, 16:14
- Trying to figure out what's up… - Beorn, 2015-05-28, 19:46
- Definitely Yes -
CyberKN,
2015-05-28, 16:14