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I think Bungie dropped the ball... (Destiny)
I should clarify: my 1 hour of ToO resulted in a Flawless Victory. From what I can gather, 2-3 pieces of Etheric Light is about par for the course for a flawless victory.
A flawless victory is something most of use will never ever see. Comparing that reward level of ToO to anything else in the entirety of Destiny is just not right. I'm a decent Crucible player. I've played three serious ToO sessions along side decent Crucible players and I have never gotten above 3 wins. I'm thinking you need to do a reality check and should consider that what most of us will ever get out of ToO (other than intense frustration) is nowhere near what you got out of it.
On the bigger picture of PoE, I just find it silly how you talk about trying pieces of a raid from the left side, then the right side... when a lot of the advice for section of PoE is "we had luck trying it from the left side" or "Cluster on the right side." I'm not saying PoE is equal to a raid... to me raids have more thematic continuity and that counts for something... but the harder challenges of PoE are roughly as replayable as any section of either Raid.
Furthermore, you seem to be judging the first couple of weeks of PoE vs months of people having figured out the Raids. Even week to week we breezed through the same PoE room that we were stuck on just one week earlier. As players level up the 34 level PoE will become much easier than trying to run it as a 32 or 33. Same as the seemingly impossible sections of the Raids were quickly broken down and figured out and get easier as players leveled from 28 to 32 or 30 to 32. Also, PoE isn't finished revealing all of its content. By the time the we see all the content it may turn out that PoE has more unique segments than either VoG or Crota's End. Maybe the Raid segments are a bit more challenging or a bit more team dependent or whatever but in the grand scheme of things I don't think the Raids and a high level PoE run won't be all that dissimilar in the way they challenge players.
Complete thread:
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 16:44
- I think Bungie dropped the ball too. - CyberKN, 2015-05-27, 17:02
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-05-27, 17:12
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 17:27
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-05-27, 17:54
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:08
- Bungie DID NOT drop the ball... -
Speedracer513,
2015-05-27, 18:58
- +1
- MacAddictXIV, 2015-05-27, 19:04
- Bungie DID NOT drop the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:20
- PoE is not required to progress -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-05-27, 19:28
- PoE is not required to progress - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-27, 19:39
- PoE is not required to progress -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-05-27, 19:28
- Agreed
- Anton P. Nym (aka Steve), 2015-05-27, 19:53
- Bungie DID NOT drop the ball... -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-05-27, 22:50
- I feel like Mig is quietly judging me.
- Funkmon, 2015-05-27, 23:06
- I know you clicked the link
- Miguel Chavez, 2015-05-27, 23:57
- I know you clicked the link
- Need to clarify a few things -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 02:25
- Not really needed, but OK. -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-05-28, 16:28
- no worries - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-28, 16:35
- Need to clarify a few things -
Earendil,
2015-05-28, 19:22
- Need to clarify a few things -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 20:44
- Technically... -
someotherguy,
2015-05-28, 22:46
- Technically... -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 03:46
- Too close to call
- someotherguy, 2015-05-29, 10:07
- Too close to call
- Technically... -
Kermit,
2015-05-29, 09:34
- Technically... -
someotherguy,
2015-05-29, 10:06
- Technically... -
Kermit,
2015-05-29, 10:52
- It's difficult, because it's 100% contextual -
someotherguy,
2015-05-29, 13:06
- It's difficult, because it's 100% contextual -
Kermit,
2015-05-29, 13:49
- It's difficult, because it's 100% contextual - someotherguy, 2015-05-29, 14:12
- It's difficult, because it's 100% contextual -
Kermit,
2015-05-29, 13:49
- It's difficult, because it's 100% contextual -
someotherguy,
2015-05-29, 13:06
- Technically... -
Kermit,
2015-05-29, 10:52
- Technically... -
someotherguy,
2015-05-29, 10:06
- Stahp! -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-29, 13:13
- OBJECTION!!!
- Ragashingo, 2015-05-29, 13:16
- OVERRULED. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-29, 13:18
- WHAAT?! -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 14:28
- Is Love? -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-29, 14:31
- Baby
- CyberKN, 2015-05-29, 14:36
- Don't hurt me.
- MacAddictXIV, 2015-05-29, 14:37
- No more.
- iconicbanana, 2015-05-29, 14:41
- No more.
- Don't hurt me.
- Baby
- Is Love? -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-29, 14:31
- WHAAT?! -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 14:28
- OVERRULED. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-29, 13:18
- OBJECTION!!!
- Technically... -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-29, 03:46
- To be clear, and technical - Earendil, 2015-06-10, 22:00
- Technically... -
someotherguy,
2015-05-28, 22:46
- Need to clarify a few things -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 20:44
- Not really needed, but OK. -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-05-28, 16:28
- Bungie DID NOT drop the ball... -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 12:25
- Why do I feel like I just got burned? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 14:35
- Why do I feel like I just got burned? - Kermit, 2015-05-28, 16:07
- Why do I feel like I just got burned? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 14:35
- I feel like Mig is quietly judging me.
- +1
- Bungie DID NOT drop the ball... -
Speedracer513,
2015-05-27, 18:58
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:08
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-27, 18:09
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:26
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-27, 18:57
- Biggest understatement ever. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 19:00
- Biggest understatement ever. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:42
- Biggest understatement ever. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 19:43
- Biggest understatement ever. - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-27, 19:49
- Biggest understatement ever. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 19:43
- Biggest understatement ever. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:42
- I think you missed something in my post... - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-27, 19:36
- You should try ToO again. -
Funkmon,
2015-05-27, 20:48
- You should try ToO again. - Ragashingo, 2015-05-27, 21:04
- Biggest understatement ever. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 19:00
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - DreadPirateWes, 2015-05-27, 18:57
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Claude Errera,
2015-05-28, 15:38
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 15:52
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Claude Errera,
2015-05-28, 15:55
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-28, 16:05
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Cody Miller,
2015-05-31, 07:20
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-05-31, 10:41
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - Cody Miller, 2015-06-01, 16:30
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-05-31, 10:41
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Claude Errera,
2015-05-28, 15:55
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 15:52
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-27, 18:57
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:26
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-05-27, 17:54
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - Doooskey, 2015-05-27, 17:31
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
stabbim,
2015-05-27, 19:32
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - MacAddictXIV, 2015-05-28, 14:21
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 17:27
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - DreadPirateWes, 2015-05-27, 17:22
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 17:36
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 17:54
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 17:56
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:15
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 18:22
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:38
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 18:39
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:47
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - MacAddictXIV, 2015-05-27, 18:52
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - Xenos, 2015-05-27, 18:55
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:47
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 18:39
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:38
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 18:22
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 18:15
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 17:56
- Correction: Zero, SquidNH3 and I did on Saturday. - Funkmon, 2015-05-28, 00:05
- Xbox Live vs. Playstation Network gamers -
Hoovaloov,
2015-05-28, 00:53
- agreed
- Kermit, 2015-05-28, 08:17
- agreed
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 17:54
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - CommandrCleavage, 2015-05-27, 17:36
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... -
General Vagueness,
2015-05-27, 17:43
- I think Bungie dropped the ball... - Miguel Chavez, 2015-05-27, 22:56
- Yeah. - INSANEdrive, 2015-05-27, 18:10
- I think this sort of content is absolutely necessary. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 18:49
- I think this sort of content is absolutely necessary. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:05
- I think this sort of content is absolutely necessary. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 19:06
- I think this sort of content is absolutely necessary. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:48
- I just don't understand this line of reasoning. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 19:56
- I did give other reasons too, you know ;) - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-27, 20:00
- I just don't understand this line of reasoning. -
Speedracer513,
2015-05-27, 20:05
- I just don't understand this line of reasoning. - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-27, 20:16
- I just don't understand this line of reasoning. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 19:56
- Priceless -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-05-28, 03:17
- That might be me you're thinking of... - CyberKN, 2015-05-28, 03:32
- Priceless -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 04:47
- Priceless -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-05-28, 07:21
- Priceless - Kahzgul, 2015-05-28, 13:39
- Wait a minute... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 14:16
- You said almost the exact opposite a few months ago. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-28, 14:22
- Good memory :) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 14:32
- Good memory :) -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-28, 14:44
- Right there with you :) - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-28, 14:48
- Good memory :) -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-28, 14:44
- Good memory :) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 14:32
- Wait a minute... - Yapok, 2015-05-28, 14:34
- You said almost the exact opposite a few months ago. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-28, 14:22
- Priceless -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-05-28, 07:21
- I think this sort of content is absolutely necessary. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:48
- I think this sort of content is absolutely necessary. -
iconicbanana,
2015-05-27, 19:06
- Indeed. :) - Ragashingo, 2015-05-27, 19:07
- I think this sort of content is absolutely necessary. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:05
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-27, 19:19
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:58
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Earendil,
2015-05-27, 21:00
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 21:07
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 21:09
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
CyberKN,
2015-05-27, 21:11
- You make valid points on the game design, but... - Xenos, 2015-05-27, 21:58
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
CyberKN,
2015-05-27, 21:11
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-27, 21:10
- Cool! Good to know.
- CruelLEGACEY, 2015-05-27, 21:28
- Cool! Good to know.
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Xenos,
2015-05-27, 21:09
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 21:07
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Earendil,
2015-05-27, 21:00
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Kermit,
2015-05-27, 20:14
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-27, 20:51
- Don't agree. -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-05-27, 22:44
- Why do you disagree? -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 13:37
- Why do you disagree? -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 14:21
- Why do you disagree? -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 15:29
- Why do you disagree? -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-28, 15:39
- Why do you disagree? -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 15:55
- Why do you disagree? -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-28, 16:34
- Why do you disagree? - Kahzgul, 2015-05-28, 19:07
- Why do you disagree? -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-28, 16:34
- Why do you disagree? -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 15:55
- Why do you disagree? -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-28, 15:39
- Why do you disagree? -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 15:29
- Why do you disagree? -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 14:21
- Why do you disagree? -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 13:37
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
narcogen,
2015-05-28, 02:14
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 13:32
- Simply put, you are wrong. -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-28, 15:22
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 15:42
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 16:00
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 16:01
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 16:06
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 16:15
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 16:22
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 16:26
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 17:07
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) - Kahzgul, 2015-05-28, 19:10
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 17:07
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 16:26
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 16:22
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 16:15
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 16:06
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 16:01
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kermit,
2015-05-28, 16:00
- There's an important distinction here... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-28, 15:46
- Thank you - my point exactly!
- Kahzgul, 2015-05-28, 16:07
- Thank you - my point exactly!
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 15:42
- Simply put, you're not quite right. - Kermit, 2015-05-28, 15:44
- Simply put, you are wrong. -
Ragashingo,
2015-05-28, 15:22
- This is a matter of opinion (and I know I'm in the minority) -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-28, 13:32
- Don't agree. -
Miguel Chavez,
2015-05-27, 22:44
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
Kahzgul,
2015-05-27, 20:51
- This jumped out at me -
someotherguy,
2015-05-27, 20:53
- This jumped out at me - Kahzgul, 2015-05-27, 21:00
- You make valid points on the game design, but... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-05-27, 19:58
- On a personal level, I feel the same way...but it's all fine - Funkmon, 2015-05-28, 00:00
- Is this thread bugged? -
CyberKN,
2015-05-28, 16:14
- Definitely Yes -
CyberKN,
2015-05-28, 16:14
- Trying to figure out what's up…
- Beorn, 2015-05-28, 19:46
- Trying to figure out what's up…
- Definitely Yes -
CyberKN,
2015-05-28, 16:14