You're as inconsistent as ever. (Destiny)

by Ragashingo , Official DBO Cryptarch, Friday, July 10, 2015, 19:33 (3661 days ago) @ Avateur

This is in no way a total defense of the storytelling of Vanilla Destiny. Just that there is a core story with character agency that progresses the plot forward. Combine that with the continued progression with Dark Below and House of Wolves, with admittedly less agency but more overall exploration of the story progression, and I'm excited for what they'll do with Taken King, as they have had much more time to respond and build responses to the flaws in Year One. I mean, there is a reason Luke Smith couldn't work on the Crota Raid.

What core story and plot? Everything you just described in your post, while showing Guardian action that progresses the "go here because I told you to" thing forward, does not express any type of core story or plot. What did that shard of the Traveler do? Nothing. What did every Eris mission accomplish? Apparently nothing because at the end of the day, surprise, Crota's back. What did doing whatever for the Queen do? Nothing, other than take care of her dirty work. What did destroying the House of Wolves do for her? Nothing. You literally just took care of someone else's problems because they told you to. Why'd you kill that Gatelord? Because you were told to so that you could get to a Dark Heart. Why'd you kill that Dark Heart? Someone said it was bad and we were in grave danger allegedly, even though the thing was weak as hell and easy to take out (elaborated upon by Grimoire, thank goodness). Where was there ever any urgency? What changed as a result of our defeating all of these things and going to all of these places? Nothing beyond showing that Guardians are going places and doing things now. Yay!

Your disregard for the story bit that have happened is just getting plain silly now.

- The Traveler had not been healing and might have even been dying thank to the Hive. We stopped their attacks.
- Eris and the five that went with her killed Crota (in our plane of existance) and put a decades long stop to his war against us.
- The Queen of the Awoken is in some sort of tense standoff with The Nine who actively worked to push Skolas to attack The Reef. We helped her with the House of Wolves because we owed her for helping us kill The Darkness in the Black Garden which had somehow prevented The Traveler for healing in the centuries since the end of the collapse.

Until Taken King, which appears to be a direct story result of Crota's End (and really nothing else but the Raid), nothing prior has truly actually been connected. Every hint you named, the pieces being put together, and the Exo giving us her rifle were all so insignificantly thrown together and inconsequential. All you named in your post were actions perpetrated and things that Guardians did. You have Cody, and a little bit of what I said, in that instance. Guardians did things, more things than I think either of us gave credit for. But why? Because they were told. Not because of any plot or story or urgency or consequence. At the end of the day, they did things for things's sake. Things had to happen because it's a video game, so things happened. That's about it.

You and Cody have such a lack of imagination and such a poor grasp of the longer term connections and storytelling that Destiny is doing. You ignore and reduce and oversimplify actions and plot thread all so you can make your incorrect claims that nothing we did had any meaning. I think what the Exo Stranger said is the real truth of Destiny: "All endings are beginnings." Meaning that it's all connected and important, even if Bungie got off on the wrong foot.