
I do necessarily see it as a negative (Destiny)
Also he was given grief not just because of the quality (and really pretty much everything in the special editions was fine IMHO) but because he stopped production of the old versions
This is it right there. He actually went further and actively prevented the preservation of the original trilogy, and exhibitions of it. I'm not opposed to Bungie continually updating their game, and doing things like weapon balances and the like. I'm not even opposed to them casting new actors. I have a problem with the old stuff being lost forever. If you think downloading my archive of Peter Dinklage's lines is the same as playing through the game with them in context, then you're going to be disappointed.
I am all about being forward thinking, moving ahead and thinking about the present and the future rather than the past. But the past is important to color our choices moving forward. I make movies, and to say that I've been influenced by old films - films made long before I was born, is an understatement. Films made when the idea of preserving films was ludicrous; they were seen as mere entertainment. But now we know film is art and preservation is very valuable. More than 90% of all films from the silent era are gone. The film "The Honor System", directed by Raoul Walsh, is by all accounts absolutely fantastic, is gone forever. All of it is dust. How many great works are lost, never to influence those who wish to move the art forward?
That's why what Lucas did was so offensive, but he doesn't have complete control over the copies that exist, and so the original trilogy will always exist despite the fact that he cut the negative to conform to the special edition. So not all is lost.
But it is lost with Destiny. There is absolutely zero way going forward to experience any version of the game other than what Bungie wants you to since you have to validate with the servers. I have the old ghost on a bluray, sitting in my system, but I can't use that. Imagine a world where George could have eliminated any possibility of ever watching the original trilogy again. That's the power Bungie has with Destiny, and they've used it. I'm shocked I'm the only one who is troubled.
Think of all the games that are part of the history of the art. How are you supposed to appreciate that by watching videos or listening to audio? Games are meant to be played. You might think the change of voice actor for the ghost is no big deal, but what if it goes further?
What's next?
Destiny and Bungie are certainly a piece of video game history. But it's a piece that can never be truly preserved for the future. Even if you personally don't want to play the old one, it's still a benefit to keeping art around. This trend in the temporary is troubling for me, given that I've learned a great deal studying art history!
Complete thread:
- Wiping away the past -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-09, 16:49
- I don't see it as a negative, necessarily. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-09-09, 17:06
- I don't see it as a negative, necessarily. - Cody Miller, 2015-09-10, 06:28
- I do necessarily see it as a negative -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-10, 16:06
- I do necessarily see it as a negative -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-10, 16:27
- I do necessarily see it as a negative -
Kermit,
2015-09-10, 17:14
- I do necessarily see it as a negative -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-10, 18:24
- I do necessarily see it as a negative -
Kermit,
2015-09-10, 20:16
- I do necessarily see it as a negative - CyberKN, 2015-09-10, 20:24
- I do necessarily see it as a negative -
Kermit,
2015-09-10, 20:16
- I do necessarily see it as a negative -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-10, 18:24
- I do necessarily see it as a negative -
Kermit,
2015-09-10, 17:14
- I do necessarily see it as a negative - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-09-10, 17:36
- I do necessarily see it as a negative -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-10, 16:27
- Wiping away the past - unoudid, 2015-09-09, 17:08
- Wiping away the past - TheeChaos, 2015-09-09, 17:14
- Destiny is a living, breathing world blah blah blah etc. - ncsuDuncan, 2015-09-09, 17:15
- Other things the past has lost - Durandal, 2015-09-09, 17:19
- Wiping away the past -
cheapLEY,
2015-09-09, 17:26
- Wiping away the past -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-10, 16:24
- Wiping away the past -
Xenos,
2015-09-10, 17:13
- Wiping away the past -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-10, 17:26
- Wiping away the past -
Xenos,
2015-09-10, 17:33
- Wiping away the past -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-10, 17:47
- Wiping away the past -
marmot 1333,
2015-09-10, 17:52
- Wiping away the past - Xenos, 2015-09-10, 17:57
- Wiping away the past -
marmot 1333,
2015-09-10, 17:52
- Wiping away the past -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-10, 17:47
- Wiping away the past -
Xenos,
2015-09-10, 17:33
- Wiping away the past -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-10, 17:26
- Wiping away the past -
Xenos,
2015-09-10, 17:13
- Wiping away the past -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-10, 16:24
- Wiping away the past -
Ragashingo,
2015-09-09, 17:44
- Yup
- Beorn, 2015-09-09, 18:41
- Yup
- I mean... You know there are games that never change... - Doooskey, 2015-09-09, 18:09
- I was expecting improvement. - rhubarb, 2015-09-09, 18:14
- Online means temporary. - Leviathan, 2015-09-09, 18:43
- We lost old weapon balance in Halo 2, too. -
Funkmon,
2015-09-09, 20:08
- We lost old weapon balance in Halo 2, too. -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-09, 20:25
- Never have kids. -
Funkmon,
2015-09-09, 20:42
- Never have kids. -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-09, 21:06
- Never have kids. -
Funkmon,
2015-09-09, 21:24
- Never have kids. -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-09, 22:08
- Never have kids. -
narcogen,
2015-09-09, 22:36
- Never have kids. -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-09, 22:39
- Never have kids. -
narcogen,
2015-09-10, 03:08
- An example of unique Destiny-ness - Leviathan, 2015-09-10, 16:48
- You are playing the game wrong. - ProbablyLast, 2015-09-10, 03:25
- Never have kids. -
narcogen,
2015-09-10, 03:08
- Never have kids. -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-09, 22:39
- Never have kids. -
narcogen,
2015-09-09, 22:36
- Never have kids. -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-10, 17:06
- I think you're taking me more seriously than you should.
- Funkmon, 2015-09-10, 18:39
- I think you're taking me more seriously than you should. -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-10, 21:28
- I'll work on it. - Funkmon, 2015-09-10, 21:45
- I think you're taking me more seriously than you should. -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-10, 21:28
- I think you're taking me more seriously than you should.
- Never have kids. -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-09, 22:08
- Never have kids. - DreadPirateWes, 2015-09-10, 03:09
- Never get married - Blackt1g3r, 2015-09-11, 17:35
- Never have kids. -
Funkmon,
2015-09-09, 21:24
- Never have kids. -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-09, 21:06
- We lost old weapon balance in Halo 2, too. - Kermit, 2015-09-09, 20:46
- Never have kids. -
Funkmon,
2015-09-09, 20:42
- We lost old weapon balance in Halo 2, too. -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-09, 20:25
- Wiping away the past -
Kahzgul,
2015-09-09, 21:13
- Wiping away the past -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-09, 22:11
- Wiping away the past -
Leviathan,
2015-09-09, 23:20
- Wiping away the past -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-10, 00:43
- they don't HAVE to be, but they CAN be
- kidtsunami, 2015-09-10, 14:22
- Wiping away the past -
Leviathan,
2015-09-10, 16:32
- Wiping away the past -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-10, 16:42
- Wiping away the past -
Leviathan,
2015-09-10, 17:16
- Wiping away the past -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-10, 17:20
- Wiping away the past - Leviathan, 2015-09-10, 17:28
- Wiping away the past -
Ragashingo,
2015-09-10, 18:44
- Wiping away the past -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-10, 21:53
- Wiping away the past -
Leviathan,
2015-09-10, 23:50
- Wiping away the past -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-11, 01:18
- Wiping away the past -
Leviathan,
2015-09-11, 01:34
- Wiping away the past -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-11, 01:39
- Wiping away the past -
Leviathan,
2015-09-11, 02:18
- Wiping away the past -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-11, 16:57
- Wiping away the past -
Kermit,
2015-09-11, 17:12
- Wiping away the past -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-11, 18:35
- Wiping away the past -
Kermit,
2015-09-11, 19:33
- Wiping away the past - General Vagueness, 2015-09-11, 23:01
- Wiping away the past -
Kermit,
2015-09-11, 19:33
- Wiping away the past -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-11, 18:35
- Wiping away the past -
Kermit,
2015-09-11, 17:12
- Wiping away the past -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-11, 18:30
- Wiping away the past -
Leviathan,
2015-09-11, 19:10
- Wiping away the past - Cody Miller, 2015-09-11, 19:33
- Wiping away the past -
Leviathan,
2015-09-11, 19:10
- Wiping away the past -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-11, 16:57
- Wiping away the past -
Leviathan,
2015-09-11, 02:18
- Wiping away the past -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-11, 16:34
- Wiping away the past -
Kermit,
2015-09-11, 16:57
- Wiping away the past -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-11, 17:00
- Wiping away the past - Kermit, 2015-09-11, 17:17
- Wiping away the past -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-11, 17:00
- Wiping away the past -
Leviathan,
2015-09-11, 17:40
- Wiping away the past -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-11, 19:22
- Wiping away the past -
Kermit,
2015-09-11, 19:46
- Wiping away the past - Cody Miller, 2015-09-11, 19:58
- Wiping away the past -
Leviathan,
2015-09-11, 20:13
- Wiping away the past - Cody Miller, 2015-09-11, 20:41
- Wiping away the past -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-11, 22:36
- Wiping away the past -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-11, 22:44
- Wiping away the past - General Vagueness, 2015-09-12, 03:49
- Wiping away the past -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-11, 22:44
- Wiping away the past - Ragashingo, 2015-09-11, 23:48
- Wiping away the past -
Kermit,
2015-09-11, 19:46
- Wiping away the past -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-11, 19:22
- Wiping away the past -
Kermit,
2015-09-11, 16:57
- Wiping away the past -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-11, 01:39
- Wiping away the past -
Leviathan,
2015-09-11, 01:34
- Wiping away the past -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-11, 01:18
- Wiping away the past -
Leviathan,
2015-09-10, 23:50
- Wiping away the past -
General Vagueness,
2015-09-10, 21:53
- Wiping away the past -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-10, 17:20
- Wiping away the past -
Kahzgul,
2015-09-10, 18:10
- Wiping away the past -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-10, 18:18
- Wiping away the past - Leviathan, 2015-09-10, 23:55
- Wiping away the past -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-10, 18:18
- Wiping away the past -
Leviathan,
2015-09-10, 17:16
- Wiping away the past -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-10, 16:42
- they don't HAVE to be, but they CAN be
- Wiping away the past -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-10, 00:43
- Wiping away the past -
Leviathan,
2015-09-09, 23:20
- Wiping away the past -
Cody Miller,
2015-09-09, 22:11
- Wiping away the past -
INSANEdrive,
2015-09-10, 02:47
- Wiping away the past - cheapLEY, 2015-09-10, 03:21
- Wiping away the past - Kermit, 2015-09-10, 13:53
- An amazing meal! -
MartyTheElder,
2015-09-10, 19:46
- Now we know why GoPros are so popular.
- dogcow, 2015-09-10, 19:49
- And Instagram!
- Cody Miller, 2015-09-10, 19:54
- And Instagram!
- Let's see the video.
- Funkmon, 2015-09-10, 19:55
- #NotMySock
- CyberKN, 2015-09-10, 19:56
- There's a difference. I haven't yet MADE the video.
- Funkmon, 2015-09-10, 19:57
- There's a difference. I haven't yet MADE the video.
- #NotMySock
- Laughed during a meeting I was totally paying attention to
- Xenos, 2015-09-10, 20:28
- Now we know why GoPros are so popular.
- I don't see it as a negative, necessarily. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-09-09, 17:06