"Pushing" (Gaming)
Uncharted isn't exactly moving games forward as games. As a storytelling medium, sure (which is important, I agree). But as games? With gameplay? I don't buy it.
They are absolutely.
When Tim Rogers reviewed the Last of Us, he said the game had an:
"ability to put us a hundred percent into the moments editors would leave out of a film."
That one sentence had such a profound effect on my view of video games.
That right there is their contribution. I used to think story and interaction were 100% at odds, and the narrative certainly is. But, both the story AND the game are enhanced when you give the player the ability to control these moments that aren't necessarily part of the narrative. You have to do it right though. Scattering audio logs is not the way to do it. The way to do it is to let the player explore. To let the characters have conversations while you are traveling from one place to the other. Environmental storytelling. Stuff like that.
And this is part of the"gameplay". These are moments that otherwise wouldn't work because you are not in control. You are still playing the game even when you aren't shooting.
I took the time to examine a poster in Last of Us. Teen Wolf. Ellie then asks what it is, and Joel tells her about it. Ellie then asks why he as a grown man saw that movie, and he deflects. Holy shit. If you've been paying attention that moment is actually huge and tells you so fucking much about Joel, and it was brought about because of my curiosity and my choice. My play. You can completely miss this. No film would spend 20 minutes in a jeep driving to a volcano with the characters shooting the shit, but it works because you are doing it.
Naughty Dog understands this notion of using interactivity to develop emotional engagement better than any other studio in history. They are not perfect, and even they fall back on to the audio log bullshit. But I'll bet they can craft a game where they don't have to.
Complete thread:
- Duh -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-30, 15:13
- Duh -
CyberKN,
2016-05-30, 15:33
- Duh -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-30, 16:11
- Duh -
cheapLEY,
2016-05-30, 16:15
- Duh -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-30, 16:22
- Duh -
Claude Errera,
2016-05-30, 17:18
- Duh - Cody Miller, 2016-05-30, 17:39
- Duh -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-05-30, 18:30
- Duh -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-30, 18:34
- Good point. - Ragashingo, 2016-05-30, 20:03
- The People at the Top -
Kahzgul,
2016-05-31, 13:04
- The People at the Top - Quirel, 2016-06-04, 23:15
- Duh - CyberKN, 2016-05-30, 19:13
- Duh -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-30, 18:34
- Duh -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-05-30, 17:25
- Duh -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-30, 17:48
- Disagree. For many reasons. - Ragashingo, 2016-05-30, 18:07
- Duh (Cap 3 spoilers) -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-05-30, 18:13
- Duh (Cap 3 spoilers) -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-30, 18:20
- Duh (Cap 3 spoilers) - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-05-30, 18:23
- Duh (Cap 3 spoilers) -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-30, 18:20
- My heart pounds during that Dubai scene. -
Funkmon,
2016-05-30, 18:58
- I also found the Dubai scene pretty tame -
ZackDark,
2016-05-30, 22:22
- I also found the Dubai scene pretty tame -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-05-30, 22:52
- Exactly the same for me - ZackDark, 2016-05-30, 23:18
- I also found the Dubai scene pretty tame -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-05-30, 22:52
- I also found the Dubai scene pretty tame -
ZackDark,
2016-05-30, 22:22
- Duh -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-30, 17:48
- Go see Love and Friendship. -
Kermit,
2016-05-30, 18:22
- Go see Love and Friendship. -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-30, 18:24
- Go see Love and Friendship. -
Kermit,
2016-05-30, 18:26
- Go see Love and Friendship. -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-30, 18:28
- Go see Love and Friendship. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-05-30, 18:31
- Go see Love and Friendship. -
cheapLEY,
2016-05-30, 19:01
- I thought it was good but didn't change my life or anything. - Funkmon, 2016-05-30, 19:19
- Go see Love and Friendship. - Korny, 2016-05-30, 19:08
- *Raises hand, slowly* -
CyberKN,
2016-05-30, 19:16
- Same - ZackDark, 2016-05-30, 22:24
- Nope. - Ragashingo, 2016-05-30, 20:06
- Go see Love and Friendship. -
Kermit,
2016-05-31, 02:30
- Go see Love and Friendship. -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-31, 02:44
- Go see Love and Friendship. - Kermit, 2016-05-31, 04:50
- Go see Love and Friendship. -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-31, 02:44
- Nope, you're not alone. - slycrel, 2016-05-31, 06:02
- Go see Love and Friendship. - Kahzgul, 2016-05-31, 13:14
- Go see Love and Friendship. -
cheapLEY,
2016-05-30, 19:01
- Go see Love and Friendship. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-05-30, 18:31
- Go see Love and Friendship. -
narcogen,
2016-05-31, 02:21
- Heh. - Kermit, 2016-05-31, 02:31
- Go see Love and Friendship. -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-31, 02:57
- Go see Love and Friendship. -
narcogen,
2016-05-31, 07:26
- ಠ_ಠ - Funkmon, 2016-05-31, 19:13
- Go see Love and Friendship. -
narcogen,
2016-05-31, 07:26
- Go see Love and Friendship. -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-30, 18:28
- Go see Love and Friendship. -
Kermit,
2016-05-30, 18:26
- Mad Max Fury Road -
Kahzgul,
2016-05-31, 13:11
- Mad Max Fury Road -
Kermit,
2016-05-31, 18:33
- Mad Max Fury Road -
Kahzgul,
2016-05-31, 21:54
- Mad Max Fury Road -
Kermit,
2016-05-31, 22:18
- Mad Max Fury Road -
Kahzgul,
2016-05-31, 22:49
- Mad Max Fury Road - ZackDark, 2016-05-31, 23:41
- Mad Max Fury Road -
Kermit,
2016-06-01, 14:39
- Mad Max Fury Road - Kahzgul, 2016-06-01, 15:13
- Mad Max Fury Road -
Kahzgul,
2016-05-31, 22:49
- I dunno, the story of Immortan Joe is kinda interesting - someotherguy, 2016-06-01, 15:35
- Mad Max Fury Road -
Kermit,
2016-05-31, 22:18
- I think MMFR is one of the best-made bad movies ever... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-06-01, 16:13
- That is... a terrible analysis... -
Korny,
2016-06-01, 17:15
- That is... a terrible analysis... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-06-01, 17:35
- That is... a terrible analysis... -
Korny,
2016-06-01, 18:01
- That is... a terrible analysis... -
someotherguy,
2016-06-01, 18:08
- LOL -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-06-01, 18:12
- LOL -
Korny,
2016-06-01, 18:41
- Not every discussion has to have a winner. -
Funkmon,
2016-06-01, 21:01
- That's loser talk... -
Korny,
2016-06-01, 22:05
- And sometimes people have to get back to work... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-06-01, 22:19
- And sometimes people have to get back to work... - Korny, 2016-06-02, 01:40
- That's loser talk... - Cody Miller, 2016-06-02, 00:51
- And sometimes people have to get back to work... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-06-01, 22:19
- That's loser talk... -
Korny,
2016-06-01, 22:05
- Not every discussion has to have a winner. -
Funkmon,
2016-06-01, 21:01
- LOL -
Korny,
2016-06-01, 18:41
- That is... a terrible analysis... - Kermit, 2016-06-01, 19:17
- LOL -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-06-01, 18:12
- That is... a terrible analysis... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-06-01, 22:27
- That is... a terrible analysis... -
Kermit,
2016-06-01, 22:46
- That is... a terrible analysis... - Kermit, 2016-06-02, 13:10
- That is... a terrible analysis... - Kahzgul, 2016-06-02, 18:13
- That is... a terrible analysis... -
Kermit,
2016-06-01, 22:46
- That is... a terrible analysis... -
someotherguy,
2016-06-01, 18:08
- That is... a terrible analysis... -
Korny,
2016-06-01, 18:01
- +1! - Quirel, 2016-06-04, 23:27
- That is... a terrible analysis... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-06-01, 17:35
- I think MMFR is one of the best-made bad movies ever... -
Kermit,
2016-06-01, 17:33
- Ah, that I agree with - ZackDark, 2016-06-01, 21:14
- I think MMFR is one of the best-made bad movies ever... -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-01, 21:28
- I wish I could form thoughts into words like this. -
CyberKN,
2016-06-01, 21:32
- Thanks dude :) - Kahzgul, 2016-06-02, 18:14
- I think it's finally confirmed... -
squidnh3,
2016-06-01, 22:39
- made me laugh - Kermit, 2016-06-01, 22:48
- DBO Multiverse confirmed ;) - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-06-01, 22:48
- I JUST WANT TO CROSS OVER! - Kahzgul, 2016-06-02, 00:42
- I think MMFR is one of the best-made bad movies ever... -
Kermit,
2016-06-01, 22:40
- I think MMFR is one of the best-made bad movies ever... -
Cody Miller,
2016-06-02, 00:53
- I think MMFR is one of the best-made bad movies ever... - Kahzgul, 2016-06-02, 01:05
- Discounting an opinion because it disagrees is poor argument -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-02, 01:00
- Discounting an opinion because it disagrees is poor argument -
cheapLEY,
2016-06-02, 01:17
- Discounting an opinion because it disagrees is poor argument -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-02, 17:54
- Discounting an opinion because it disagrees is poor argument -
cheapLEY,
2016-06-02, 18:17
- Discounting an opinion because it disagrees is poor argument - Kahzgul, 2016-06-04, 21:03
- Discounting an opinion because it disagrees is poor argument -
cheapLEY,
2016-06-02, 18:17
- Discounting an opinion because it disagrees is poor argument -
Kahzgul,
2016-06-02, 17:54
- Discounting an opinion because it disagrees is poor argument -
Kermit,
2016-06-02, 02:30
- Discounting an opinion because it disagrees is poor argument -
Cody Miller,
2016-06-02, 03:10
- Discounting an opinion because it disagrees is poor argument - Kahzgul, 2016-06-02, 18:09
- Discounting an opinion because it disagrees is poor argument -
Cody Miller,
2016-06-02, 03:10
- Discounting an opinion because it disagrees is poor argument -
cheapLEY,
2016-06-02, 01:17
- I think MMFR is one of the best-made bad movies ever... -
Cody Miller,
2016-06-02, 00:53
- I think MMFR is one of the best-made bad movies ever... - marmot 1333, 2016-06-02, 15:40
- I wish I could form thoughts into words like this. -
CyberKN,
2016-06-01, 21:32
- The movie doesn't hand hold - Avateur, 2016-06-02, 01:07
- That is... a terrible analysis... -
Korny,
2016-06-01, 17:15
- Mad Max Fury Road -
Kahzgul,
2016-05-31, 21:54
- Mad Max Fury Road -
Kermit,
2016-05-31, 18:33
- Go see Love and Friendship. -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-30, 18:24
- You forgot cheeseball dialogue on your list - Pyromancy, 2016-05-30, 22:17
- I agree with this so much -
Kahzgul,
2016-05-31, 12:58
- I agree with this so much -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-31, 13:47
- I agree with this so much - Kahzgul, 2016-05-31, 14:08
- You are crazy. - cheapLEY, 2016-05-31, 15:23
- I agree with this so much -
Korny,
2016-05-31, 15:46
- I agree with this so much -
Kahzgul,
2016-05-31, 18:46
- I agree with this so much -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-31, 19:13
- I agree with this so much - uberfoop, 2016-05-31, 19:32
- I agree with this so much -
Korny,
2016-05-31, 20:42
- I agree with this so much -
uberfoop,
2016-05-31, 21:12
- You think that's bad? -
CyberKN,
2016-05-31, 21:21
- Wow - ZackDark, 2016-05-31, 21:53
- You think that's bad? - Kahzgul, 2016-05-31, 21:56
- Dude was totally on the phone when he wrote that. - Claude Errera, 2016-05-31, 22:35
- You think that's bad? -
CyberKN,
2016-05-31, 21:21
- I agree with this so much -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-31, 22:43
- I agree with this so much -
Kahzgul,
2016-05-31, 22:52
- I agree with this so much -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-31, 23:02
- I agree with this so much - Kahzgul, 2016-06-01, 15:16
- I agree with this so much -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-31, 23:02
- I agree with this so much -
Kahzgul,
2016-05-31, 22:52
- I agree with this so much -
uberfoop,
2016-05-31, 21:12
- I agree with this so much - Kahzgul, 2016-05-31, 21:55
- I agree with this so much -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-31, 19:13
- I agree with this so much -
Kahzgul,
2016-05-31, 18:46
- I agree with this so much -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-31, 13:47
- Duh -
Claude Errera,
2016-05-30, 17:18
- Duh -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-30, 16:22
- "Pushing" -
someotherguy,
2016-05-31, 15:13
- "Pushing" -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-31, 15:45
- "Pushing" - someotherguy, 2016-05-31, 16:15
- Sir Francis', Nate's, and Cutter's Journals... - Korny, 2016-05-31, 16:29
- "Pushing" - uberfoop, 2016-05-31, 16:43
- "Pushing" -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-31, 15:45
- Duh -
cheapLEY,
2016-05-30, 16:15
- Overwatch -
Kahzgul,
2016-05-31, 12:53
- Me too -
Blackt1g3r,
2016-05-31, 13:04
- The game with no campaign has more story than Destiny -
Avateur,
2016-06-01, 01:40
- Yeah, Titanfall was awesome. - Kahzgul, 2016-06-01, 21:28
- The game with no campaign has more story than Destiny -
Avateur,
2016-06-01, 01:40
- Me too -
Blackt1g3r,
2016-05-31, 13:04
- Duh -
Cody Miller,
2016-05-30, 16:11
- The ads for this film been showing for the last 2 weeks -
Raflection,
2016-05-30, 18:06
- It's supposed to be good for the fans but not normal people. - Funkmon, 2016-05-30, 19:06
- Duh -
CyberKN,
2016-05-30, 15:33