This is a terrible analogy. (Destiny)

by Claude Errera , Saturday, November 10, 2018, 19:32 (2274 days ago) @ EffortlessFury

If you are telling me my commitment to figuring out a game’s challenges myself is what’s inhibiting my enjoyment of said game, I would simply say the game is broken by its design. Your suggestion is quite frankly insane to me and against the basic fun of discovery that games even provide.

I’m saying there are many different kinds or layers of discovery. You’re focusing on just 1 specific avenue.

To explain further: my first trip to paris wasn’t ruined by the fact that the city had been “spoiled” for me by movies, books, and television. In fact, I went out of my way to learn as much as I could about the different destinations, galleries, landmarks and locations ahead of time, so that I could make the most out of my time there. If I’d gone “blind”, I’d have missed most of my favourite parts.

And that's totally a valid experience. But I do sympathize with Cody.

Have you ever been to an Escape Room? Have you ever done the same room twice? I know I wouldn't; the point is the process of discovery. Once you know how to do it, there's no reason to do it again unless it changes significantly.

Now, while Destiny does provide some level of change up (which is why it is totally replayable), the elements of a Raid that are synonymous with an Escape Room are not really changed. If Cody's main draw to these activities are those elements, then Destiny does cater to that demographic poorly.

Honestly, I'd wait until we're a month or even two months into the expansion to release the raid. Let people grind for a good while to get ready and let there be a race to solve the Raid, not a race to see who can put more of their life on hold in the week after release.

The whole POINT of an escape room is the puzzle; there's nothing else.

That is super-far from the case with Destiny's raids - in fact, I'd say that they're getting more and more distant from that point. There has ALWAYS been a second, critically important piece: execution.

Once you understand the mechanics of an escape room, there's zero barrier to completion - a child can do it, given the instructions. This is NOT the case with a raid. Knowing what to do is 1/10th of the battle; doing it is the other 9/10ths.

Cruel's saying that Cody's focusing on that first 1/10th, and acting like the raid is pointless if that's been spoiled. But the joy in mastering the mechanics, gelling with your team, figuring out how to work like a well-oiled machine... that's pretty damned satisfying. And given how difficult it is to stay blind, and how poorly the puzzles are solved via anything other than brute force... it's the part we should be focusing on.

World of Warcraft has had both discovery and execution as well; it just does it better than Destiny does. I already noted that Destiny has aspects beyond the ones it shares with Escape Rooms, the point I'm making is that some people value that first experience of discovery over the execution, and that's perfectly valid. You're prioritizing the execution over discovery, which is also valid.

You're not reading my message, I guess. Or Cruel's.

I don't prioritize execution over discovery, in general - I'm saying that given the fact that discovery is no longer as good as it once was, it makes SENSE to look for the places where you CAN have fun - ie, execution. Or, put another way, the fact that Cody can't enjoy discovery isn't as big a loss as it would have been in earlier iterations, because discovery's not as good as it was.

Cody's argument is that Bungie could make it easier for both camps to be happy relatively simply and I'd agree. There's no reason the Raid has to drop so close to the expansion other than wanting to get people who are on the fence to buy it more quickly.

No, that's not Cody's argument at all. That's your argument. (Or maybe it's not. It's an argument that hasn't been voiced before this post of yours, so I don't know WHO subscribes to it.) Cody's argument was that discovery was everything, and since he can't have that, there's nothing worth having.