Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? (Destiny)
So I think it makes perfect sense when someone who isn't telling the story, but instead is trying to present someone else's story that doesn't make sense to them, says they hate storytelling.
I disagree. Someone who says they hate storytelling has no business telling stories, period. Give their job to someone else.
Let me explain:
I'm a professional Editor, and my job is to tell someone else's story in a more cohesive way than they can. Very often, the way the story is presented to me doesn't make sense at all. But I love storytelling. LOVE it. Distilling that confused mess down is a skill, to be sure, but it isn't an inherently challenging or obtuse process. It's all about breaking the narrative down to the key points, separating the wheat from the chaff, and then building that narrative back up to really highlight the key elements.
The video on the front page at DBO is a *great* example of someone doing just that. In fact, he's telling the Dark Below's story in a dramatically better way than Bungie did, using only the materials that Bungie has published. It's shocking to me how compelling the story is when told that way, and how bland and boring the story is when told the way that Bungie is telling it. There's a massive disconnect there. Whoever is in charge of the narrative in Destiny needs to be given a lot more power and resources, giving them the benefit of the doubt on their ability to actually tell a story, given their druthers.
it's part of what's so frustrating about the game. The lore is there. The writing on the grimoire cards is compelling. But the actual in-game content is atrocious on all levels. It's laughable and shameful at the same time.
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With video games, you kind of have to develop the game in a specific order in order for the story to be told well. First, you need an idea of the world you'll play in (space magic). Then you need to know what kind of game it is (FPS with RPG and MMO elements). At this point the coders can get to work on the engines that will run the game. Then you need to lay out the story. Right then and there, it needs to happen. This informs the artists about the game world they'll be creating. It lets the coders design scripting tools to set up specific, story driven encounters. It describes how the AI needs to work for each enemy type, how powerful the weapons in the player's and AI's arsenals are, and who the key figures of the plot are.
You can't re-write a story 9 years into development and expect it to be good without having another 9 years to change the entire game to match the new story.
And if your story sucks, you need to fix it before you dive headlong into development. There's no way Bungie "discovered" they had a bad story 9 years in. Most likely, they had an awesome story. But then they also had deadlines. And they weren't going to meet them because the story was too big. So they hacked apart the pieces that were done already and smashed them back together to get *something* to the public. This is all conjecture, but the facts fit.
Bungie probably is super sad that they weren't able to put out the game that they wanted to. But Activision's shareholders are thrilled, because they made a crapton of money, AND didn't have to pay the contract bonuses because the game wasn't as highly rated as the bonuses required. And money, my dear friends, is the name of all big games.
Complete thread:
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
roland,
2015-02-06, 09:38
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-02-06, 09:44
- Not a very big step... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-02-06, 10:22
- Not a very big step... -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-02-06, 10:41
- Not a very big step... - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-02-06, 10:46
- Not a very big step... -
stabbim,
2015-02-06, 11:45
- +1 -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-02-06, 12:30
- +1 - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-02-06, 15:46
- Not a very big step... - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-02-06, 15:45
- +1 -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-02-06, 12:30
- Not a very big step... -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-02-06, 10:41
- Not a very big step... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-02-06, 10:22
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 09:51
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 11:05
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? *edit -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 11:14
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? *edit -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 11:38
- It's astounding this studio made Oni. -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 11:44
- Loved Oni. Not at all astounded. -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 11:52
- Loved Oni. Not at all astounded. -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 11:58
- Loved Oni. Not at all astounded. -
Malagate,
2015-02-06, 12:24
- This was the biggest missed opportunity in Destiny -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 12:57
- This was the biggest missed opportunity in Destiny - Malagate, 2015-02-06, 13:12
- This was the biggest missed opportunity in Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2015-02-06, 15:04
- This was the biggest missed opportunity in Destiny -
Kermit,
2015-02-06, 15:22
- The patrol bounty name was a big hint. - iconicbanana, 2015-02-06, 15:23
- This was the biggest missed opportunity in Destiny -
Kermit,
2015-02-06, 15:22
- This was the biggest missed opportunity in Destiny -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 12:57
- Loved Oni. Not at all astounded. - Claude Errera, 2015-02-06, 18:20
- Loved Oni. Not at all astounded. -
Malagate,
2015-02-06, 12:24
- Loved Oni. Not at all astounded. -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 11:58
- Technically - Blackt1g3r, 2015-02-06, 12:27
- It's astounding this studio made Oni. -
Cody Miller,
2015-02-06, 14:37
- I was a boss at Oni and it enriched the experience immensely -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 15:20
- I was a boss at Oni and it enriched the experience immensely -
Ragashingo,
2015-02-06, 16:00
- I was a boss at Oni and it enriched the experience immensely - iconicbanana, 2015-02-06, 16:34
- I was a boss at Oni and it enriched the experience immensely -
Ragashingo,
2015-02-06, 16:00
- I was a boss at Oni and it enriched the experience immensely -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 15:20
- Loved Oni. Not at all astounded. -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 11:52
- It's astounding this studio made Oni. -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 11:44
- Starcraft Manual -
Cody Miller,
2015-02-06, 15:08
- Starcraft Manual -
General Battuta,
2015-02-06, 19:38
- Any Blizzard Manual -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 20:39
- I see you the Blizzard Manuals... -
Quirel,
2015-02-07, 00:25
- I see you the Blizzard Manuals... - General Battuta, 2015-02-07, 14:43
- Any Blizzard Manual - Blackt1g3r, 2015-02-11, 12:23
- I see you the Blizzard Manuals... -
Quirel,
2015-02-07, 00:25
- Any Blizzard Manual -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 20:39
- Starcraft Manual -
General Battuta,
2015-02-06, 19:38
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? *edit -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 11:38
- *sad, begrudging thumbs up* - Ouranje, 2015-02-06, 11:15
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kermit,
2015-02-06, 11:58
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 12:18
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kermit,
2015-02-06, 14:35
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? - Kahzgul, 2015-02-06, 22:38
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kermit,
2015-02-06, 14:35
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 12:18
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? *edit -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 11:14
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 11:05
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Cody Miller,
2015-02-06, 10:21
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Ragashingo,
2015-02-06, 10:31
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
yakaman,
2015-02-06, 11:52
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? - Ragashingo, 2015-02-06, 13:02
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
yakaman,
2015-02-06, 11:52
- +1 - INSANEdrive, 2015-02-06, 11:04
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
roland,
2015-02-06, 13:42
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
ckamp,
2015-02-06, 13:53
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
roland,
2015-02-06, 13:57
- The more you know... - ckamp, 2015-02-06, 13:59
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
roland,
2015-02-06, 13:57
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
ckamp,
2015-02-06, 13:53
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Ragashingo,
2015-02-06, 10:31
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Ragashingo,
2015-02-06, 10:23
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 11:48
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Ragashingo,
2015-02-06, 12:39
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Malagate,
2015-02-06, 13:06
- The Library displayed brilliant in-game storytelling -
ckamp,
2015-02-06, 13:52
- Persistent World Issues. -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 13:59
- Persistent World Issues. -
ckamp,
2015-02-06, 14:17
- Persistent World Issues. -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 14:19
- The sad thing here... -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 14:23
- Future War Cult. - Ragashingo, 2015-02-06, 14:56
- The sad thing here... -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 14:23
- Persistent World Issues. -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 14:19
- Persistent World Issues. -
ckamp,
2015-02-06, 14:17
- Persistent World Issues. -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 13:59
- The Library displayed brilliant in-game storytelling -
ckamp,
2015-02-06, 13:52
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Malagate,
2015-02-06, 13:06
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Malagate,
2015-02-06, 12:45
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Cody Miller,
2015-02-06, 15:01
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? - Blackt1g3r, 2015-02-11, 14:09
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Cody Miller,
2015-02-06, 15:01
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Ragashingo,
2015-02-06, 12:39
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 11:48
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kermit,
2015-02-06, 10:26
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-02-06, 10:30
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Cody Miller,
2015-02-06, 15:03
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? - roland, 2015-02-06, 15:05
- + 1 million - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-02-06, 15:20
- With ya Kerm -
Leviathan,
2015-02-06, 15:48
- With ya Kerm - Kermit, 2015-02-06, 16:16
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Durandal,
2015-02-06, 11:24
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? - Kahzgul, 2015-02-06, 11:50
- +1 to NPCs in the wild - ckamp, 2015-02-06, 12:56
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? - Cody Miller, 2015-02-06, 14:38
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Old Fire Thief,
2015-02-09, 19:04
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? - Ragashingo, 2015-02-09, 20:20
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-02-06, 09:44