Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? (Destiny)
Good post, but I take issue with this.
You can't re-write a story 9 years into development and expect it to be good without having another 9 years to change the entire game to match the new story.
Call it luck or happenstance or something else, but some great stories in games had different narratives until late, at least so far as some narrative decisions that made all the difference were made late. I know this happens with my own writing. I have some nice pieces of writing but the story isn't working. I re-arrange, I change the focus, maybe I just include a new scene or lines of dialogue and suddenly everything gels, the story is bigger and better than it was.
You're right that game development doesn't provide the same flexibility and luxury to change things that you have in, say, fiction, but small changes can make a big difference, and oftentimes cutting big chunks of content makes a big difference, too.
What's so good that it seems obvious and inevitable in a story isn't always apparent when you're in the thick of creating it, and sometimes the line between evocative and not enough is hard to discern. The latter is part of what I think happened with Destiny.
Complete thread:
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
roland,
2015-02-06, 09:38
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-02-06, 09:44
- Not a very big step... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-02-06, 10:22
- Not a very big step... -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-02-06, 10:41
- Not a very big step... - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-02-06, 10:46
- Not a very big step... -
stabbim,
2015-02-06, 11:45
- +1 -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-02-06, 12:30
- +1 - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-02-06, 15:46
- Not a very big step... - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-02-06, 15:45
- +1 -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-02-06, 12:30
- Not a very big step... -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-02-06, 10:41
- Not a very big step... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-02-06, 10:22
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 09:51
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 11:05
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? *edit -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 11:14
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? *edit -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 11:38
- It's astounding this studio made Oni. -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 11:44
- Loved Oni. Not at all astounded. -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 11:52
- Loved Oni. Not at all astounded. -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 11:58
- Loved Oni. Not at all astounded. -
Malagate,
2015-02-06, 12:24
- This was the biggest missed opportunity in Destiny -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 12:57
- This was the biggest missed opportunity in Destiny - Malagate, 2015-02-06, 13:12
- This was the biggest missed opportunity in Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2015-02-06, 15:04
- This was the biggest missed opportunity in Destiny -
Kermit,
2015-02-06, 15:22
- The patrol bounty name was a big hint. - iconicbanana, 2015-02-06, 15:23
- This was the biggest missed opportunity in Destiny -
Kermit,
2015-02-06, 15:22
- This was the biggest missed opportunity in Destiny -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 12:57
- Loved Oni. Not at all astounded. - Claude Errera, 2015-02-06, 18:20
- Loved Oni. Not at all astounded. -
Malagate,
2015-02-06, 12:24
- Loved Oni. Not at all astounded. -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 11:58
- Technically - Blackt1g3r, 2015-02-06, 12:27
- It's astounding this studio made Oni. -
Cody Miller,
2015-02-06, 14:37
- I was a boss at Oni and it enriched the experience immensely -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 15:20
- I was a boss at Oni and it enriched the experience immensely -
Ragashingo,
2015-02-06, 16:00
- I was a boss at Oni and it enriched the experience immensely - iconicbanana, 2015-02-06, 16:34
- I was a boss at Oni and it enriched the experience immensely -
Ragashingo,
2015-02-06, 16:00
- I was a boss at Oni and it enriched the experience immensely -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 15:20
- Loved Oni. Not at all astounded. -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 11:52
- It's astounding this studio made Oni. -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 11:44
- Starcraft Manual -
Cody Miller,
2015-02-06, 15:08
- Starcraft Manual -
General Battuta,
2015-02-06, 19:38
- Any Blizzard Manual -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 20:39
- I see you the Blizzard Manuals... -
Quirel,
2015-02-07, 00:25
- I see you the Blizzard Manuals... - General Battuta, 2015-02-07, 14:43
- Any Blizzard Manual - Blackt1g3r, 2015-02-11, 12:23
- I see you the Blizzard Manuals... -
Quirel,
2015-02-07, 00:25
- Any Blizzard Manual -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 20:39
- Starcraft Manual -
General Battuta,
2015-02-06, 19:38
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? *edit -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 11:38
- *sad, begrudging thumbs up* - Ouranje, 2015-02-06, 11:15
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kermit,
2015-02-06, 11:58
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 12:18
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kermit,
2015-02-06, 14:35
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? - Kahzgul, 2015-02-06, 22:38
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kermit,
2015-02-06, 14:35
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 12:18
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? *edit -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 11:14
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 11:05
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Cody Miller,
2015-02-06, 10:21
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Ragashingo,
2015-02-06, 10:31
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
yakaman,
2015-02-06, 11:52
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? - Ragashingo, 2015-02-06, 13:02
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
yakaman,
2015-02-06, 11:52
- +1 - INSANEdrive, 2015-02-06, 11:04
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
roland,
2015-02-06, 13:42
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
ckamp,
2015-02-06, 13:53
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
roland,
2015-02-06, 13:57
- The more you know... - ckamp, 2015-02-06, 13:59
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
roland,
2015-02-06, 13:57
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
ckamp,
2015-02-06, 13:53
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Ragashingo,
2015-02-06, 10:31
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Ragashingo,
2015-02-06, 10:23
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 11:48
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Ragashingo,
2015-02-06, 12:39
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Malagate,
2015-02-06, 13:06
- The Library displayed brilliant in-game storytelling -
ckamp,
2015-02-06, 13:52
- Persistent World Issues. -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 13:59
- Persistent World Issues. -
ckamp,
2015-02-06, 14:17
- Persistent World Issues. -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 14:19
- The sad thing here... -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 14:23
- Future War Cult. - Ragashingo, 2015-02-06, 14:56
- The sad thing here... -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 14:23
- Persistent World Issues. -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 14:19
- Persistent World Issues. -
ckamp,
2015-02-06, 14:17
- Persistent World Issues. -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 13:59
- The Library displayed brilliant in-game storytelling -
ckamp,
2015-02-06, 13:52
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Malagate,
2015-02-06, 13:06
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Malagate,
2015-02-06, 12:45
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Cody Miller,
2015-02-06, 15:01
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? - Blackt1g3r, 2015-02-11, 14:09
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Cody Miller,
2015-02-06, 15:01
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Ragashingo,
2015-02-06, 12:39
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 11:48
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kermit,
2015-02-06, 10:26
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-02-06, 10:30
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Cody Miller,
2015-02-06, 15:03
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? - roland, 2015-02-06, 15:05
- + 1 million - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-02-06, 15:20
- With ya Kerm -
Leviathan,
2015-02-06, 15:48
- With ya Kerm - Kermit, 2015-02-06, 16:16
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Durandal,
2015-02-06, 11:24
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? - Kahzgul, 2015-02-06, 11:50
- +1 to NPCs in the wild - ckamp, 2015-02-06, 12:56
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? - Cody Miller, 2015-02-06, 14:38
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Old Fire Thief,
2015-02-09, 19:04
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? - Ragashingo, 2015-02-09, 20:20
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-02-06, 09:44