With ya Kerm (Destiny)
I thought ODST was fantastic from a story perspective. [Theory blown.] I also thought Reach tried to present actual humans pretty well, but okay, okay, the story didn't work as well as it should have.
Yes, always play The Last of Us again. No game I've ever played does narrative better.
I too don't view the storytelling as a downward slide. Ups and downs. Strengths and weaknesses.Halo CE laid down an intriguing premise and gave us two iconic heroes to get behind. The innovative and hilariously-fun gameplay made that premise like a true adventure.
Halo 2 lost a bit of the oomph and excitement in some places, but delivered a detailed, character-driven (at least on the Arbiter's side) story that expanded the Halo universe ten-fold from the first game, from characters to culture to lore to mystery. Sure, the cliffhanger killed me at first, but that's more about the serial nature of the release and less about what's actually happening in the story.
Halo 3 didn't have as much story to tell because it was the third act - and I was very happy about that because the gameplay fulfilled that third act promise by upping the ante with wide landscapes and huge battles that made it feel like Return of the King. Thankfully, I didn't think the main characters were lost in the epic stakes, either, and so in the middle of these climactic showdowns, I felt more for the Chief, Cortana, Arbiter, and Johnson than ever before.
ODST and Reach's overall plots weren't very cohesive to me and the narrative seemed to get away from itself, but they made up for it with great characters, especially ODST.
I don't have a problem with Destiny's story and I think the universe is great, perhaps more ripe with potential than Halo ever was. The only problem is...Bungie forgot to put it in the game. :)
I've always gotten the gist that Bungie wants to tell a great story, but with their huge ambitions some things have to get cut so other things can survive. And I think they value gameplay over narrative. With Destiny, you also have a completely new format of gameplay and ways to deliver the story which I could see making it hard to get right out the gate, especially when there's art and engineering trying to deliver on a new kind of game as well.
I also think the larger the studio, the harder it is to interconnect story and gameplay. You've got things getting cut or added in the game world over here, and you've got to scramble to try and plug the holes they make in the story, or gloss over them as that launch quickly approaches. Maybe that's why so much of the Destiny narrative fell through the cracks this time.
I can totally see them learning from it and bouncing back.
Yep. I give ODST story points because of the structure, which was cool as hell, and Sadie's Story, which was the first time Halo tried to present civilians. The intersection of the two storylines is still one of my favorite video game easter eggs if you want to call it that.
Complete thread:
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
roland,
2015-02-06, 09:38
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-02-06, 09:44
- Not a very big step... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-02-06, 10:22
- Not a very big step... -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-02-06, 10:41
- Not a very big step... - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-02-06, 10:46
- Not a very big step... -
stabbim,
2015-02-06, 11:45
- +1 -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-02-06, 12:30
- +1 - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-02-06, 15:46
- Not a very big step... - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-02-06, 15:45
- +1 -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-02-06, 12:30
- Not a very big step... -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-02-06, 10:41
- Not a very big step... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-02-06, 10:22
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 09:51
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 11:05
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? *edit -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 11:14
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? *edit -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 11:38
- It's astounding this studio made Oni. -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 11:44
- Loved Oni. Not at all astounded. -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 11:52
- Loved Oni. Not at all astounded. -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 11:58
- Loved Oni. Not at all astounded. -
Malagate,
2015-02-06, 12:24
- This was the biggest missed opportunity in Destiny -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 12:57
- This was the biggest missed opportunity in Destiny - Malagate, 2015-02-06, 13:12
- This was the biggest missed opportunity in Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2015-02-06, 15:04
- This was the biggest missed opportunity in Destiny -
Kermit,
2015-02-06, 15:22
- The patrol bounty name was a big hint. - iconicbanana, 2015-02-06, 15:23
- This was the biggest missed opportunity in Destiny -
Kermit,
2015-02-06, 15:22
- This was the biggest missed opportunity in Destiny -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 12:57
- Loved Oni. Not at all astounded. - Claude Errera, 2015-02-06, 18:20
- Loved Oni. Not at all astounded. -
Malagate,
2015-02-06, 12:24
- Loved Oni. Not at all astounded. -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 11:58
- Technically - Blackt1g3r, 2015-02-06, 12:27
- It's astounding this studio made Oni. -
Cody Miller,
2015-02-06, 14:37
- I was a boss at Oni and it enriched the experience immensely -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 15:20
- I was a boss at Oni and it enriched the experience immensely -
Ragashingo,
2015-02-06, 16:00
- I was a boss at Oni and it enriched the experience immensely - iconicbanana, 2015-02-06, 16:34
- I was a boss at Oni and it enriched the experience immensely -
Ragashingo,
2015-02-06, 16:00
- I was a boss at Oni and it enriched the experience immensely -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 15:20
- Loved Oni. Not at all astounded. -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 11:52
- It's astounding this studio made Oni. -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 11:44
- Starcraft Manual -
Cody Miller,
2015-02-06, 15:08
- Starcraft Manual -
General Battuta,
2015-02-06, 19:38
- Any Blizzard Manual -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 20:39
- I see you the Blizzard Manuals... -
Quirel,
2015-02-07, 00:25
- I see you the Blizzard Manuals... - General Battuta, 2015-02-07, 14:43
- Any Blizzard Manual - Blackt1g3r, 2015-02-11, 12:23
- I see you the Blizzard Manuals... -
Quirel,
2015-02-07, 00:25
- Any Blizzard Manual -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 20:39
- Starcraft Manual -
General Battuta,
2015-02-06, 19:38
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? *edit -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 11:38
- *sad, begrudging thumbs up* - Ouranje, 2015-02-06, 11:15
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kermit,
2015-02-06, 11:58
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 12:18
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kermit,
2015-02-06, 14:35
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? - Kahzgul, 2015-02-06, 22:38
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kermit,
2015-02-06, 14:35
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 12:18
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? *edit -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 11:14
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 11:05
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Cody Miller,
2015-02-06, 10:21
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Ragashingo,
2015-02-06, 10:31
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
yakaman,
2015-02-06, 11:52
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? - Ragashingo, 2015-02-06, 13:02
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
yakaman,
2015-02-06, 11:52
- +1 - INSANEdrive, 2015-02-06, 11:04
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
roland,
2015-02-06, 13:42
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
ckamp,
2015-02-06, 13:53
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
roland,
2015-02-06, 13:57
- The more you know... - ckamp, 2015-02-06, 13:59
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
roland,
2015-02-06, 13:57
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
ckamp,
2015-02-06, 13:53
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Ragashingo,
2015-02-06, 10:31
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Ragashingo,
2015-02-06, 10:23
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 11:48
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Ragashingo,
2015-02-06, 12:39
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Malagate,
2015-02-06, 13:06
- The Library displayed brilliant in-game storytelling -
ckamp,
2015-02-06, 13:52
- Persistent World Issues. -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 13:59
- Persistent World Issues. -
ckamp,
2015-02-06, 14:17
- Persistent World Issues. -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 14:19
- The sad thing here... -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 14:23
- Future War Cult. - Ragashingo, 2015-02-06, 14:56
- The sad thing here... -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 14:23
- Persistent World Issues. -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 14:19
- Persistent World Issues. -
ckamp,
2015-02-06, 14:17
- Persistent World Issues. -
iconicbanana,
2015-02-06, 13:59
- The Library displayed brilliant in-game storytelling -
ckamp,
2015-02-06, 13:52
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Malagate,
2015-02-06, 13:06
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Malagate,
2015-02-06, 12:45
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Cody Miller,
2015-02-06, 15:01
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? - Blackt1g3r, 2015-02-11, 14:09
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Cody Miller,
2015-02-06, 15:01
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Ragashingo,
2015-02-06, 12:39
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kahzgul,
2015-02-06, 11:48
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Kermit,
2015-02-06, 10:26
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-02-06, 10:30
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Cody Miller,
2015-02-06, 15:03
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? - roland, 2015-02-06, 15:05
- + 1 million - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-02-06, 15:20
- With ya Kerm -
Leviathan,
2015-02-06, 15:48
- With ya Kerm - Kermit, 2015-02-06, 16:16
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Durandal,
2015-02-06, 11:24
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? - Kahzgul, 2015-02-06, 11:50
- +1 to NPCs in the wild - ckamp, 2015-02-06, 12:56
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? - Cody Miller, 2015-02-06, 14:38
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Old Fire Thief,
2015-02-09, 19:04
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? - Ragashingo, 2015-02-09, 20:20
- Maybe this is why Bungie hates story-telling now? -
Blackt1g3r,
2015-02-06, 09:44