Don't be stupid. (Destiny)
Please, try to incorporate some nuance into your thoughts. We're adults here. Not everything needs to be extreme.
Here is the nuance:
There is absolutely no place in the game where the autorifle is the best choice. No map. No range. Ideally you want it to be useful somewhere. Of the primaries, Scout Rifles dominate long range, and Hand cannons and pulse rifles mid. What does that leave? Close range. This is where the autorifle should shine. But it doesn't. Because shotguns ruin you close range.
If you increase the autorifle damage, decrease the range and increase the spread so they are an up close weapon, then make shotguns very close range only, then now you have a place for them in the game.
It's not a dick measuring contest - it's simply a fact that autorifles are no good in PvP. You even said so yourself. They are not always fine. The situations in which you say you get autorifle kills would still net you kills with other weapons, but other weapons will net you kills an autorifle simply couldn't.
Complete thread:
- Kotaku also hates Thorn. -
Revenant1988,
2015-06-04, 19:51
- Kotaku also hates Thorn. - CyberKN, 2015-06-04, 20:00
- Kotaku also hates Thorn. - Cody Miller, 2015-06-04, 20:03
- Kotaku also hates Thorn. -
dogcow,
2015-06-04, 20:06
- Kotaku also hates Thorn. -
CyberKN,
2015-06-04, 20:07
- I've never loved CoD. -
dogcow,
2015-06-04, 20:08
- Nor I. A LOT of people did though. So that's what we get :( -
CyberKN,
2015-06-04, 20:12
- Team SWAT? -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-06-04, 21:33
- What about it? - CyberKN, 2015-06-04, 21:34
- Team SWAT? - Morpheus, 2015-06-04, 22:45
- Team SWAT? -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-06-04, 21:33
- I don't get the CoD comparisons -
Spec ops Grunt,
2015-06-05, 04:49
- I'm a CoD fan... - Korny, 2015-06-05, 08:57
- Nor I. A LOT of people did though. So that's what we get :( -
CyberKN,
2015-06-04, 20:12
- Kotaku also hates Thorn. - Kahzgul, 2015-06-05, 18:56
- I've never loved CoD. -
dogcow,
2015-06-04, 20:08
- Kotaku also hates Thorn. -
CyberKN,
2015-06-04, 20:07
- Unpopular opinion time: I don't mind thorn. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-04, 20:41
- Unpopular opinion time: I don't mind thorn. -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-04, 20:58
- Nah, they're fine. Used Vanquisher to decent effect Tuesday. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-04, 21:21
- No, They're Not. -
Morpheus,
2015-06-04, 22:46
- 9 bullets. Trust me, they're fine. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-04, 23:14
- I Would've Believed You If You Said Pulse. -
Morpheus,
2015-06-05, 01:25
- Yes. 9 bullets. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-05, 03:56
- Yes. 9 bullets. -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-05, 04:10
- Don't be stupid. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-05, 04:36
- Don't be stupid. -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-05, 05:00
- Don't be stupid. -
Korny,
2015-06-05, 06:34
- 6..... - red robber, 2015-06-05, 08:21
- Don't be stupid. -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-05, 17:17
- Don't be stupid. -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-05, 17:32
- I find I'm somewhere in the middle - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-06-05, 18:56
- Don't be stupid. - Cody Miller, 2015-06-05, 19:35
- Don't be stupid. -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-05, 17:32
- Don't be stupid. -
Korny,
2015-06-05, 06:34
- Don't be stupid. -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-05, 05:00
- Don't be stupid. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-05, 04:36
- Yes. 9 bullets. -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-05, 04:10
- Yes. 9 bullets. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-05, 03:56
- I Would've Believed You If You Said Pulse. -
Morpheus,
2015-06-05, 01:25
- 9 bullets. Trust me, they're fine. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-04, 23:14
- No, They're Not. -
Morpheus,
2015-06-04, 22:46
- Nah, they're fine. Used Vanquisher to decent effect Tuesday. -
Funkmon,
2015-06-04, 21:21
- I think Thorn is OP as hell right now - Kahzgul, 2015-06-05, 19:03
- Unpopular opinion time: I don't mind thorn. -
Cody Miller,
2015-06-04, 20:58
- Modelling Weapon Balance in Code? -
dogcow,
2015-06-04, 21:13
- Pivot tables, Pivot tables as far as the eye can see -
electricpirate,
2015-06-04, 22:30
- Weapon balance changing over time is on purpose -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-06-04, 23:52
- This man is a gentleman and a scholar. -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-05, 01:01
- As a recent MIDA convert, I can get behind that -
someotherguy,
2015-06-05, 12:31
- As a recent MIDA convert, I can get behind that -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-05, 12:41
- What's a bhop? Did I just have a seizure? -
someotherguy,
2015-06-05, 13:24
- What's a bhop? Did I just have a seizure? - iconicbanana, 2015-06-05, 13:25
- What's a bhop? Did I just have a seizure? -
someotherguy,
2015-06-05, 13:24
- As a recent MIDA convert, I can get behind that -
CommandrCleavage,
2015-06-05, 12:54
- "I WAS ON 9 KILLS AND THE FLOOR DISAPPEARED!!!" -
someotherguy,
2015-06-05, 13:08
- See!!! See how much fun that would be! - CommandrCleavage, 2015-06-05, 13:34
- this would be AMAZINGGG - Raflection, 2015-06-05, 20:18
- "I WAS ON 9 KILLS AND THE FLOOR DISAPPEARED!!!" -
someotherguy,
2015-06-05, 13:08
- As a recent MIDA convert, I can get behind that -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-05, 12:41
- As a recent MIDA convert, I can get behind that -
someotherguy,
2015-06-05, 12:31
- This man is a gentleman and a scholar. -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-05, 01:01
- Weapon balance changing over time is on purpose -
DreadPirateWes,
2015-06-04, 23:52
- Pivot tables, Pivot tables as far as the eye can see -
electricpirate,
2015-06-04, 22:30
- The Second I Get To Rank 2 In IB. - Morpheus, 2015-06-04, 22:42
- Kotaku also hates Thorn. - Avateur, 2015-06-05, 00:15
- My personal Problem with Thorn -
Monochron,
2015-06-05, 02:12
- My personal Problem with Thorn - CommandrCleavage, 2015-06-05, 12:29
- Kotaku also hates Thorn. -
CommandrCleavage,
2015-06-05, 10:53
- Kotaku also hates Thorn. -
Monochron,
2015-06-05, 11:25
- Kotaku also hates Thorn. -
CommandrCleavage,
2015-06-05, 11:34
- Kotaku also hates Thorn. - ProbablyLast, 2015-06-05, 12:52
- Kotaku also hates Thorn. -
Monochron,
2015-06-05, 14:21
- Kotaku also hates Thorn. - CommandrCleavage, 2015-06-05, 15:14
- Kotaku also hates Thorn. - CommandrCleavage, 2015-06-05, 18:09
- Kotaku also hates Thorn. -
Claude Errera,
2015-06-05, 17:41
- Kotaku also hates Thorn. - Monochron, 2015-06-06, 00:25
- Kotaku also hates Thorn. -
CommandrCleavage,
2015-06-05, 11:34
- Kotaku also hates Thorn. -
Revenant1988,
2015-06-05, 11:46
- Kotaku also hates Thorn. - CommandrCleavage, 2015-06-05, 12:17
- I am Better (sometimes, and that's when it annoys me) -
someotherguy,
2015-06-05, 12:12
- I am Better (sometimes, and that's when it annoys me) -
CommandrCleavage,
2015-06-05, 12:23
- I am Better (sometimes, and that's when it annoys me) -
someotherguy,
2015-06-05, 13:02
- If you use Thorn, the DoT does allow for one thing: -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-05, 13:07
- Err, exactly? -
someotherguy,
2015-06-05, 14:14
- Troll Hard 2: Troll Harder. -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-05, 14:17
- Flawless Execution sir. Flawless. - someotherguy, 2015-06-05, 14:23
- Troll Hard 2: Troll Harder. -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-05, 14:17
- If you use Thorn, the DoT does allow for one thing: -
bluerunner,
2015-06-05, 15:29
- I agree with you, I won't debate the DoT's fairness. -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-05, 15:31
- I agree with you, I won't debate the DoT's fairness. -
bluerunner,
2015-06-05, 16:07
- Not really sure where you're going here blue. -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-05, 16:10
- Not really sure where you're going here blue. -
bluerunner,
2015-06-05, 17:29
- Let me troll the trolls, troll! #trollception - iconicbanana, 2015-06-05, 17:34
- Not really sure where you're going here blue. -
bluerunner,
2015-06-05, 17:29
- When Thorn was a POS... -
Revenant1988,
2015-06-05, 16:14
- When Thorn was a POS... -
CyberKN,
2015-06-05, 16:20
- When Thorn was a POS... -
Revenant1988,
2015-06-05, 16:35
- Take one of mine, please - someotherguy, 2015-06-05, 18:07
- When Thorn was a POS... -
CyberKN,
2015-06-05, 18:24
- When Thorn was a POS... -
Revenant1988,
2015-06-05, 19:35
- When Thorn was a POS... - CyberKN, 2015-06-05, 19:45
- When Thorn was a POS... -
Revenant1988,
2015-06-05, 19:35
- When Thorn was a POS... -
Revenant1988,
2015-06-05, 16:35
- In the right hands, it was good, even then. -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-05, 18:16
- Good Show! - CommandrCleavage, 2015-06-05, 18:31
- When Thorn was a POS... -
CyberKN,
2015-06-05, 16:20
- Not really sure where you're going here blue. -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-05, 16:10
- I agree with you, I won't debate the DoT's fairness. -
bluerunner,
2015-06-05, 16:07
- I agree with you, I won't debate the DoT's fairness. -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-05, 15:31
- Err, exactly? -
someotherguy,
2015-06-05, 14:14
- If you use Thorn, the DoT does allow for one thing: -
iconicbanana,
2015-06-05, 13:07
- I am Better (sometimes, and that's when it annoys me) -
someotherguy,
2015-06-05, 13:02
- But ... but ... -
Kermit,
2015-06-05, 13:16
- You're a Sunsinger, your body is a weapon :p - someotherguy, 2015-06-05, 14:22
- But ... but ... - Avateur, 2015-06-05, 18:13
- I am Better (sometimes, and that's when it annoys me) -
CommandrCleavage,
2015-06-05, 12:23
- Kotaku also hates Thorn. -
Monochron,
2015-06-05, 11:25
- My team and I figured out another Thorn perk: Assists! - Kahzgul, 2015-06-06, 09:22