I'm going to reply with spoilers. This will spoil the plot. (Off-Topic)

by Funkmon , Friday, December 18, 2015, 19:20 (3252 days ago) @ Avateur

To start, the script was weak. The plot was thin. Luckily, the writing for the characters and the pace of the film help to make up for these flaws. It's also unfortunate that some characters get completely shelved or underdeveloped for half (or more) of the movie. They missed some good opportunities.

This was part of what made it feel like Star Wars to me. All 6 of the films had dumb scripts and dumb plots. They all had undeveloped characters. Biggs, for example.

I'm not going to sit here and try to tell anyone that this movie was better than IV or V, or even better than Mad Max: Fury Road. It wasn't. I know you brought up fanfiction, but I'm not feeling it on this one. I couldn't shake the feeling of fanfiction while watching the Hobbit trilogy that didn't need to be a trilogy. I'm not feeling it with Episode VII. That could drastically change depending on how they handle VIII.

I didn't get a fan fiction vibe with The Hobbit. Here's why I did for this one. Imagine you're a 16 year old kid writing a fan fiction for Star Wars.

You like Tatooine or whatever. Okay, set your story on a planet basically the same. You liked Luke's reluctance to go with Obi-Wan until fate forces his hand. All right, your character will do that too. You liked putting the fate of the rebels into the hands of a droid. Go for it. You liked Han Solo, but thought Luke was a drag. Good, Luke disappeared, and your story miraculously has Han show up with his ship. Darth Vader was totally cool, but he's dead, so you come up with a new guy in a mask. Part of the cool thing about Vader was that he was family of Luke. Shit, make the new guy Luke's nephew. The sacrifice of Obi-Wan was awesome, too. Let's kill Han for our sacrifice at the end. You loved the trench in Star Wars. Might as well put another one in this movie for no reason whatsoever. Okay, so we need another death star...but that's lame. This is a SUPER DEATH STAR. And the lightsaber the bad guy has is a SUPER LIGHTSABER. And at the end, unmasking Darth Vader was awesome, so you have the bad guy unmasked! Twice! The climactic battle in Empire where Luke and Vader never finished was totally sick. Then how he left, searching for a teacher to make him a real Jedi? Man. Amazing. Let's have new main character do literally the exact same thing.

On the other hand, The Hobbit movies were just expanding on the book. They were like The Flood for Halo. There wasn't a lot of detail in the books, so PJ had to come up with stuff to fill three movies, and he created a lot of neat shit.

This movie seems more like, "I want to spend more time with the characters but have zero new ideas," which is much more like fan fiction to me than "I would love to show what happened during the book with more detail than the book gives," though I suppose both can create that feeling.

Otherwise, I think we agree on the film.