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by Avateur , Friday, December 18, 2015, 19:40 (3266 days ago) @ Funkmon

Otherwise, I think we agree on the film.

Totally. I think that's another reason why this film was so good and enjoyable. People can recognize its flaws, even from completely different directions, and yet still recognize that it was a pretty awesome movie.

This was part of what made it feel like Star Wars to me. All 6 of the films had dumb scripts and dumb plots. They all had undeveloped characters. Biggs, for example.

Agreed. This is why I could forgive them dropping one character in particular. Boba Fett hardly got any screen time, but everyone loves him. I assume it'll go the same with Phasma. As for Poe, they actually established his character really well. I'm sad he wasn't in the movie more!

You like Tatooine or whatever. Okay, set your story on a planet basically the same. You liked Luke's reluctance to go with Obi-Wan until fate forces his hand. All right, your character will do that too. You liked putting the fate of the rebels into the hands of a droid. Go for it. You liked Han Solo, but thought Luke was a drag. Good, Luke disappeared, and your story miraculously has Han show up with his ship. Darth Vader was totally cool, but he's dead, so you come up with a new guy in a mask. Part of the cool thing about Vader was that he was family of Luke. Shit, make the new guy Luke's nephew. The sacrifice of Obi-Wan was awesome, too. Let's kill Han for our sacrifice at the end. You loved the trench in Star Wars. Might as well put another one in this movie for no reason whatsoever. Okay, so we need another death star...but that's lame. This is a SUPER DEATH STAR. And the lightsaber the bad guy has is a SUPER LIGHTSABER. And at the end, unmasking Darth Vader was awesome, so you have the bad guy unmasked! Twice! The climactic battle in Empire where Luke and Vader never finished was totally sick. Then how he left, searching for a teacher to make him a real Jedi? Man. Amazing. Let's have new main character do literally the exact same thing.

Haha, okay, I see where you're coming from. I didn't get that vibe because I feel like the writers didn't set out with that thought in mind. I think a lot of it was expressly trying to pay homage to the past and to nostalgia while being able to set a foundation for what's to come. There is a valid argument to be made that they should have just started with whatever new things were going to potentially be in VIII, but I get why they did what they did.

It was a great film that was planned out to merge the old characters and situations with the new characters and situations so that they can go and tell a new story in the future (I so truly hope). They relied too heavily on what came before, though still nowhere near close to what Abrams did with Star Trek Into Darkness.

I also liked how Abrams basically poked fun at the fact that a lot of this was familiar through Han's dialogue. Yeah yeah, a bigger Death Star. Oooo. We've destroyed them before. They always have some thing to fly into to blow up. We got this. Big deal.

It was pretty self-aware to the point that the end of the movie hardly focused on it. It was all about what was going on with the characters inside/on the base as opposed to the ship battle up above. That big emphasis on the new characters and their story gives me a lot of hope for VIII. I hope they're brave enough to go somewhere different.

Oh, and the Lightsaber isn't a super lightsaber. It's archaic and almost appears unstable (hence the vent ports on the sides). I'm pretty sure that Kylo has a very strong grasp when it comes to raw exploitation of his powers (mindreading, stopping a freaking laser fired at him from behind, freezing people in their tracks), but mediocre training as a whole. His temper tantrums and inability to actually focus that rage makes it seem like he just uses anger and pain to use his powers. He's not Vader, Maul, Dooku, or Palpatine, that's for sure.

As for why Rey is so powerful, I'm wondering if she was trained when she was too young to really remember a lot of it, and then dropped off on Jakku by Luke after the Kylo situation went down. I can forgive her being an ace pilot with no real training based on prior precedent of Anakin being able to fly the Naboo fighter without any real training as well as Luke's being strong with the Force (Vader's words) during the trench run. Unanswered questions for the future that I'm really looking forward to seeing answered. Oh, and she's probably Luke's kid. :P