ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny
I'm not certain I understand your point. That's a Diablo-like where advantages gained from leveling are numerical; none of the builds change how you play the game, they just coalesce to give you really big numbers. The game is still "right-click until the enemy is dead." Sometimes that right-clicking is at a distance and sometimes it's up close, but that's as deep as it gets.
The style of leveling in Deus Ex, and that I'd like to see proliferated, is more akin to a toolkit: instead of improving statistical benefits, you're gaining access to more methods of play. There are jobs you can do with a clawhammer that are more effectively carried out by a mallet; you can complete challenges with any build, but some will be more conducive to one situation or another. The encounter design is critical: in Deus Ex, the player has the ability to decide how to take on a mission, so that (excluding boss battles) a character who is specialized for stealth and conversation will be able to complete any encounter because they've been designed so that they can be approached from multiple perspectives. Compare that to WoW, in which if you're playing a support class, you will never be able to defeat certain enemies by your lonesome because the numbers you generate simply aren't big enough.
Complete thread:
- Bungie and Deus Ex -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-07, 14:06
- Destiny as an MMO? -
Xenos,
2013-08-07, 15:06
- +1 - kidtsunami, 2013-08-08, 01:28
- I'm super curious -
kidtsunami,
2013-08-08, 02:24
- I'm super curious -
Xenos,
2013-08-08, 13:20
- I'm super curious -
Kermit,
2013-08-08, 13:32
- Ragashingo is now Mayor of The Reef - Ragashingo, 2013-08-08, 15:22
- I'm super curious -
Kermit,
2013-08-08, 13:32
- I'm super curious -
Xenos,
2013-08-08, 13:20
- Bungie and Deus Ex -
Oholiab,
2013-08-07, 15:08
- Bungie and Deus Ex -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-07, 15:58
- Thanks so much! - Oholiab, 2013-08-07, 16:05
- Bungie and Deus Ex -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-07, 15:58
- Bungie and Deus Ex - Kermit, 2013-08-07, 23:38
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
electricpirate,
2013-08-08, 08:14
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
EffortlessFury,
2013-08-08, 08:48
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - electricpirate, 2013-08-08, 09:38
- That's cute -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-08, 18:17
- That's cute - kapowaz, 2013-08-09, 01:32
- That's cute -
kidtsunami,
2013-08-09, 01:56
- That's cute -
kapowaz,
2013-08-09, 02:59
- exactly - kidtsunami, 2013-08-09, 04:04
- That's cute -
kapowaz,
2013-08-09, 02:59
- That's cute - electricpirate, 2013-08-09, 08:08
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
narcogen,
2013-08-09, 00:12
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - kidtsunami, 2013-08-09, 01:59
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
electricpirate,
2013-08-09, 06:54
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
yakaman,
2013-08-09, 10:44
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
electricpirate,
2013-08-09, 11:46
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-09, 14:59
- You could also think of it as lvl up = unlock new mission - ZackDark, 2013-08-09, 15:23
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
kapowaz,
2013-08-09, 15:40
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-09, 15:58
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - ZackDark, 2013-08-09, 16:15
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
kapowaz,
2013-08-09, 16:17
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-09, 17:20
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
kapowaz,
2013-08-09, 17:32
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-09, 17:40
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
kapowaz,
2013-08-09, 18:03
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Jillybean,
2013-08-10, 10:28
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Xenos,
2013-08-10, 10:35
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Jillybean,
2013-08-10, 11:24
- Alright, but you have to be the one that cleans up after her - Xenos, 2013-08-10, 12:26
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - Cody Miller, 2013-08-10, 15:18
- Phrasing -
Grizzlei,
2013-08-10, 13:34
- Phrasing -
Leviathan,
2013-08-10, 21:10
- Phrasing -
Avateur,
2013-08-10, 22:34
- Although I am thirsty... - ZackDark, 2013-08-10, 22:43
- Phrasing - MrPadraig08, 2013-08-14, 06:20
- Schrodeinger's DBO -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-08-11, 09:41
- Schrodeinger's DBO -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-11, 10:28
- Schrodeinger's DBO -
marmot 1333,
2013-08-12, 12:45
- Schrodeinger's DBO -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-12, 12:51
- Schrodeinger's DBO - marmot 1333, 2013-08-13, 06:04
- Schrodeinger's DBO -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-12, 12:51
- Schrodeinger's DBO -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-08-13, 12:45
- Schrodeinger's DBO -
Xenos,
2013-08-13, 12:54
- This is going to relate back to Bioshock Infinite isn't it? -
Ragashingo,
2013-08-13, 13:21
- There's always a game. Always a forum. Always an argument. - SonofMacPhisto, 2013-08-13, 16:02
- it all makes sense now… -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-13, 14:15
- it all makes sense now… - kidtsunami, 2013-08-14, 02:04
- This is going to relate back to Bioshock Infinite isn't it? -
Ragashingo,
2013-08-13, 13:21
- Schrodeinger's DBO -
Xenos,
2013-08-13, 12:54
- Schrodeinger's DBO -
marmot 1333,
2013-08-12, 12:45
- bwahahahahahahha - ZackDark, 2013-08-11, 10:36
- Schrodeinger's DBO -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-11, 10:28
- Phrasing -
Avateur,
2013-08-10, 22:34
- Phrasing -
Leviathan,
2013-08-10, 21:10
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Jillybean,
2013-08-10, 11:24
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - ncsuDuncan, 2013-08-10, 15:36
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Xenos,
2013-08-10, 10:35
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Jillybean,
2013-08-10, 10:28
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
kapowaz,
2013-08-09, 18:03
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-09, 17:40
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
kapowaz,
2013-08-09, 17:32
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-09, 17:20
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-09, 15:58
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
electricpirate,
2013-08-12, 06:37
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Leisandir,
2013-08-12, 08:13
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - Cody Miller, 2013-08-12, 09:39
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
electricpirate,
2013-08-12, 12:04
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - Leisandir, 2013-08-12, 12:16
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - kapowaz, 2013-08-14, 09:30
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-12, 09:37
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Leisandir,
2013-08-12, 10:49
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - Xenos, 2013-08-12, 11:00
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - Cody Miller, 2013-08-12, 11:38
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
electricpirate,
2013-08-12, 12:25
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-12, 12:56
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
electricpirate,
2013-08-12, 13:16
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-12, 13:21
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
electricpirate,
2013-08-12, 14:46
- You're not making much sense, man... -
ZackDark,
2013-08-12, 15:02
- Revised my explanation to something more full... - electricpirate, 2013-08-12, 15:23
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-12, 15:46
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - electricpirate, 2013-08-13, 11:42
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
kidtsunami,
2013-08-13, 01:27
- oh and PS - kidtsunami, 2013-08-13, 01:31
- You're not making much sense, man... -
ZackDark,
2013-08-12, 15:02
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
electricpirate,
2013-08-12, 14:46
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-12, 13:21
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
electricpirate,
2013-08-12, 13:16
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-12, 12:56
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Leisandir,
2013-08-12, 10:49
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Leisandir,
2013-08-12, 08:13
- Hi I'm new here -
MrPadraig08,
2013-08-14, 06:52
- Hi I'm new here - Xenos, 2013-08-14, 09:04
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-09, 14:59
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
electricpirate,
2013-08-09, 11:46
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-09, 14:05
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - ZackDark, 2013-08-09, 14:13
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - electricpirate, 2013-08-12, 06:50
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
yakaman,
2013-08-09, 10:44
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
EffortlessFury,
2013-08-08, 08:48
- Bungie and Deus Ex -
narcogen,
2013-08-09, 00:09
- Bungie and Deus Ex - kapowaz, 2013-08-09, 01:34
- Bungie and Deus Ex -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-09, 15:03
- Bungie and Deus Ex - Xenos, 2013-08-09, 15:42
- Deux Ex: HR on sale for $15 this week - Kermit, 2013-08-13, 09:05
- Destiny as an MMO? -
Xenos,
2013-08-07, 15:06