ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny
Here's an example, there's this boss, you need to be a really good player to get past it. You could play and play and keep trying, and butt your head against a wall to get better. Eventually you beat him, and while it feels great you had to go through a ton of misery to get there.
Again, failure to properly balance difficulty. Designing a proper difficulty curve fixes this without the need for leveling. The only bosses that should require you to be a good player to beat are the ones on hard mode, or far enough along in the game that the player has become good by that point.I'm assuming that the rest of the bosses and challenge has been skill appropriate up to that point.
That assumes a couple things.
1. It assumes linearity. Which is great for a baggy pipe design like Dues Ex or Halo, but less appropriate for something more open like destiny, as it would effectively make the game more linear (Kind of like old MUDs, where you even though you could go anywhere, you always had a fairly linear path you had to follow in terms of difficulty), or flatten the challenge in unpleasant ways.
2. It ignores variances within the skill set of similarly experienced players (IE, player A is good enough to get through, but player B lacks some certain skill for the boss in particular)
3. Difficulty spikes can be a tool for good design. They give a player something to see, fail at, and come back to later to measure their progress. Something like Havel or the black knights in the undead burg in dark souls.
Complete thread:
- Bungie and Deus Ex -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-07, 14:06
- Destiny as an MMO? -
Xenos,
2013-08-07, 15:06
- +1 - kidtsunami, 2013-08-08, 01:28
- I'm super curious -
kidtsunami,
2013-08-08, 02:24
- I'm super curious -
Xenos,
2013-08-08, 13:20
- I'm super curious -
Kermit,
2013-08-08, 13:32
- Ragashingo is now Mayor of The Reef - Ragashingo, 2013-08-08, 15:22
- I'm super curious -
Kermit,
2013-08-08, 13:32
- I'm super curious -
Xenos,
2013-08-08, 13:20
- Bungie and Deus Ex -
Oholiab,
2013-08-07, 15:08
- Bungie and Deus Ex -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-07, 15:58
- Thanks so much! - Oholiab, 2013-08-07, 16:05
- Bungie and Deus Ex -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-07, 15:58
- Bungie and Deus Ex - Kermit, 2013-08-07, 23:38
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
electricpirate,
2013-08-08, 08:14
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
EffortlessFury,
2013-08-08, 08:48
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - electricpirate, 2013-08-08, 09:38
- That's cute -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-08, 18:17
- That's cute - kapowaz, 2013-08-09, 01:32
- That's cute -
kidtsunami,
2013-08-09, 01:56
- That's cute -
kapowaz,
2013-08-09, 02:59
- exactly - kidtsunami, 2013-08-09, 04:04
- That's cute -
kapowaz,
2013-08-09, 02:59
- That's cute - electricpirate, 2013-08-09, 08:08
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
narcogen,
2013-08-09, 00:12
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - kidtsunami, 2013-08-09, 01:59
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
electricpirate,
2013-08-09, 06:54
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
yakaman,
2013-08-09, 10:44
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
electricpirate,
2013-08-09, 11:46
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-09, 14:59
- You could also think of it as lvl up = unlock new mission - ZackDark, 2013-08-09, 15:23
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
kapowaz,
2013-08-09, 15:40
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-09, 15:58
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - ZackDark, 2013-08-09, 16:15
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
kapowaz,
2013-08-09, 16:17
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-09, 17:20
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
kapowaz,
2013-08-09, 17:32
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-09, 17:40
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
kapowaz,
2013-08-09, 18:03
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Jillybean,
2013-08-10, 10:28
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Xenos,
2013-08-10, 10:35
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Jillybean,
2013-08-10, 11:24
- Alright, but you have to be the one that cleans up after her - Xenos, 2013-08-10, 12:26
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - Cody Miller, 2013-08-10, 15:18
- Phrasing -
Grizzlei,
2013-08-10, 13:34
- Phrasing -
Leviathan,
2013-08-10, 21:10
- Phrasing -
Avateur,
2013-08-10, 22:34
- Although I am thirsty... - ZackDark, 2013-08-10, 22:43
- Phrasing - MrPadraig08, 2013-08-14, 06:20
- Schrodeinger's DBO -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-08-11, 09:41
- Schrodeinger's DBO -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-11, 10:28
- Schrodeinger's DBO -
marmot 1333,
2013-08-12, 12:45
- Schrodeinger's DBO -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-12, 12:51
- Schrodeinger's DBO - marmot 1333, 2013-08-13, 06:04
- Schrodeinger's DBO -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-12, 12:51
- Schrodeinger's DBO -
SonofMacPhisto,
2013-08-13, 12:45
- Schrodeinger's DBO -
Xenos,
2013-08-13, 12:54
- This is going to relate back to Bioshock Infinite isn't it? -
Ragashingo,
2013-08-13, 13:21
- There's always a game. Always a forum. Always an argument. - SonofMacPhisto, 2013-08-13, 16:02
- it all makes sense now… -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-13, 14:15
- it all makes sense now… - kidtsunami, 2013-08-14, 02:04
- This is going to relate back to Bioshock Infinite isn't it? -
Ragashingo,
2013-08-13, 13:21
- Schrodeinger's DBO -
Xenos,
2013-08-13, 12:54
- Schrodeinger's DBO -
marmot 1333,
2013-08-12, 12:45
- bwahahahahahahha - ZackDark, 2013-08-11, 10:36
- Schrodeinger's DBO -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-11, 10:28
- Phrasing -
Avateur,
2013-08-10, 22:34
- Phrasing -
Leviathan,
2013-08-10, 21:10
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Jillybean,
2013-08-10, 11:24
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - ncsuDuncan, 2013-08-10, 15:36
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Xenos,
2013-08-10, 10:35
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Jillybean,
2013-08-10, 10:28
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
kapowaz,
2013-08-09, 18:03
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-09, 17:40
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
kapowaz,
2013-08-09, 17:32
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-09, 17:20
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-09, 15:58
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
electricpirate,
2013-08-12, 06:37
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Leisandir,
2013-08-12, 08:13
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - Cody Miller, 2013-08-12, 09:39
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
electricpirate,
2013-08-12, 12:04
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - Leisandir, 2013-08-12, 12:16
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - kapowaz, 2013-08-14, 09:30
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-12, 09:37
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Leisandir,
2013-08-12, 10:49
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - Xenos, 2013-08-12, 11:00
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - Cody Miller, 2013-08-12, 11:38
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
electricpirate,
2013-08-12, 12:25
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-12, 12:56
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
electricpirate,
2013-08-12, 13:16
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-12, 13:21
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
electricpirate,
2013-08-12, 14:46
- You're not making much sense, man... -
ZackDark,
2013-08-12, 15:02
- Revised my explanation to something more full... - electricpirate, 2013-08-12, 15:23
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-12, 15:46
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - electricpirate, 2013-08-13, 11:42
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
kidtsunami,
2013-08-13, 01:27
- oh and PS - kidtsunami, 2013-08-13, 01:31
- You're not making much sense, man... -
ZackDark,
2013-08-12, 15:02
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
electricpirate,
2013-08-12, 14:46
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-12, 13:21
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
electricpirate,
2013-08-12, 13:16
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-12, 12:56
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Leisandir,
2013-08-12, 10:49
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Leisandir,
2013-08-12, 08:13
- Hi I'm new here -
MrPadraig08,
2013-08-14, 06:52
- Hi I'm new here - Xenos, 2013-08-14, 09:04
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-09, 14:59
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
electricpirate,
2013-08-09, 11:46
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-09, 14:05
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - ZackDark, 2013-08-09, 14:13
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny - electricpirate, 2013-08-12, 06:50
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
yakaman,
2013-08-09, 10:44
- ITT: Cody undercuts his central argument against Destiny -
EffortlessFury,
2013-08-08, 08:48
- Bungie and Deus Ex -
narcogen,
2013-08-09, 00:09
- Bungie and Deus Ex - kapowaz, 2013-08-09, 01:34
- Bungie and Deus Ex -
Cody Miller,
2013-08-09, 15:03
- Bungie and Deus Ex - Xenos, 2013-08-09, 15:42
- Deux Ex: HR on sale for $15 this week - Kermit, 2013-08-13, 09:05
- Destiny as an MMO? -
Xenos,
2013-08-07, 15:06