
Competitive play and Meaning (Destiny)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlWFX4vfn9w
Datto's argument is that he is concerned because it appears that competitive players will not be rewarded when it comes to PvP in Des2ny.
You've got to let the good players be good, and reward them for it. I want to see people in Masters get a new weapon skin for being in masters… right now the vibe I am getting is that they don't want to make the competitive experience rich and meaningful and rewarding.
This argument is wrong, and he is operating under an incorrect assumption about competitive players. They don't need to be rewarded, because the competition is the reward. Playing good opponents and getting better is itself the prize, just how it has been since the days of Quake and Street Fighter 2. I agree that there should be some sort of system to help you gauge your improvement, like stats or a rank or something, but as far as rewards go, no true competitive player will care.
In fact, rewards for competitive play often lead to toxic behavior - just look at all the lag switchers in Trials and the like. This is because the reward takes precedence. Again, I cannot say enough how non intrinsic rewards poison everything when it comes to video games.
If your game is fun and deep, lets you play against skilled opponents, and lets you improve, then that is all the reward a competitive player will need to stay engaged and have meaningful play time.
Complete thread:
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-18, 15:43
- Competitive play and Meaning -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-18, 15:52
- Competitive play and Meaning -
stabbim,
2017-06-19, 00:18
- Competitive play and Meaning - cheapLEY, 2017-06-19, 00:24
- Competitive play and Meaning -
dogcow,
2017-06-19, 15:01
- Competitive play and Meaning - stabbim, 2017-06-19, 15:46
- Competitive play and Meaning - Vortech, 2017-06-27, 10:26
- Competitive play and Meaning - narcogen, 2017-06-19, 00:40
- Competitive play and Meaning -
stabbim,
2017-06-19, 00:18
- Agreed - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-06-18, 18:29
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Korny,
2017-06-18, 19:25
- Competitive play and Meaning -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-18, 19:36
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? -
DEEP_NNN,
2017-06-18, 19:58
- Hard mode should be cosmetic only, IMO -
Kahzgul,
2017-06-19, 03:39
- Hard mode should be cosmetic only, IMO - narcogen, 2017-06-19, 11:05
- Hard mode should be cosmetic only, IMO -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-19, 13:27
- One argument against this -
Claude Errera,
2017-06-19, 17:01
- One argument against this -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-19, 17:32
- One argument against this - Claude Errera, 2017-06-19, 18:07
- Excellent point -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-06-19, 17:40
- +1 - Claude Errera, 2017-06-19, 18:08
- One argument against this -
Kahzgul,
2017-06-20, 00:24
- This all sounds rad.
- CyberKN, 2017-06-20, 00:29
- Thanks, buddy
- Kahzgul, 2017-06-21, 02:47
- Thanks, buddy
- One argument against this - stabbim, 2017-06-20, 14:56
- I love this idea -
Robot Chickens,
2017-06-20, 15:41
- I love this idea -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-20, 15:58
- I love this idea - Robot Chickens, 2017-06-20, 20:53
- I'm not so sure. -
Kermit,
2017-06-20, 17:20
- +1
- kidtsunami, 2017-06-20, 17:40
- I'm not so sure. -
MacAddictXIV,
2017-06-20, 17:51
- I'm not so sure. -
Kermit,
2017-06-20, 18:39
- I'm not so sure. -
MacAddictXIV,
2017-06-20, 18:55
- Good point!
- Kermit, 2017-06-20, 19:06
- Good point!
- I'm not so sure. -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-20, 19:00
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-20, 21:28
- I'm not so sure. -
Kermit,
2017-06-20, 22:40
- I'm not so sure. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-06-21, 01:28
- I'm not so sure. - Cody Miller, 2017-06-21, 02:01
- I'm not so sure. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-06-21, 01:28
- I'm not so sure. - Cody Miller, 2017-06-21, 00:49
- I'm not so sure. -
Kermit,
2017-06-20, 22:40
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-20, 21:28
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-20, 20:14
- I'm not so sure. -
Harmanimus,
2017-06-20, 22:21
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-20, 23:08
- I'm not so sure. -
Harmanimus,
2017-06-20, 23:47
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-21, 00:14
- I'm about to sound like a broken record... - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-06-21, 00:59
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-21, 00:14
- I'm not so sure. -
Harmanimus,
2017-06-20, 23:47
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-20, 23:08
- I'm not so sure. -
Harmanimus,
2017-06-20, 22:21
- I'm not so sure. -
MacAddictXIV,
2017-06-20, 18:55
- I'm not so sure. -
Kermit,
2017-06-20, 18:39
- I'm not so sure. - Robot Chickens, 2017-06-20, 20:50
- +1
- I love this idea -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-20, 15:58
- I like everything in this post.
- Claude Errera, 2017-06-20, 16:03
- :) thanks
- Kahzgul, 2017-06-21, 02:46
- :) thanks
- This all sounds rad.
- One argument against this -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-19, 17:32
- One argument against this -
Claude Errera,
2017-06-19, 17:01
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-06-19, 16:39
- agree.
- Kermit, 2017-06-19, 16:48
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? -
DEEP_NNN,
2017-06-19, 17:52
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-06-19, 18:25
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? - Kermit, 2017-06-19, 18:40
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? - Cody Miller, 2017-06-19, 19:13
- agree.
- Hard mode should be cosmetic only, IMO -
Kahzgul,
2017-06-19, 03:39
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Korny,
2017-06-18, 22:41
- Competitive play and Meaning - cheapLEY, 2017-06-18, 22:50
- Competitive play and Meaning - Cody Miller, 2017-06-18, 23:51
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Kahzgul,
2017-06-19, 03:43
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Harmanimus,
2017-06-19, 15:54
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Kahzgul,
2017-06-20, 00:40
- Competitive play and Meaning - Harmanimus, 2017-06-20, 16:19
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Kahzgul,
2017-06-20, 00:40
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Harmanimus,
2017-06-19, 15:54
- +infinity - Harmanimus, 2017-06-19, 16:13
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? -
DEEP_NNN,
2017-06-18, 19:58
- Competitive play and Meaning - Cody Miller, 2017-06-18, 21:17
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-06-19, 15:48
- Competitive play and Meaning - Durandal, 2017-06-19, 16:43
- Competitive play and Meaning -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-18, 19:36
- Getting rid of visible ranks has been one of the best things - FyreWulff, 2017-06-18, 19:57
- Competitive play and Meaning - stabbim, 2017-06-19, 00:20
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists -
unoudid,
2017-06-19, 11:58
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-19, 14:41
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists -
Korny,
2017-06-19, 16:16
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists - Harmanimus, 2017-06-19, 16:20
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-19, 16:31
- I like JIP -
squidnh3,
2017-06-19, 17:08
- I like JIP +1 - dogcow, 2017-06-19, 17:34
- You are wrong, so your points are not valid ;)
- unoudid, 2017-06-19, 19:04
- I like JIP -
squidnh3,
2017-06-19, 17:08
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists -
Korny,
2017-06-19, 16:16
- First Effing game of the day - unoudid, 2017-06-19, 20:47
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-19, 14:41
- Competitive play and Meaning - CyberKN, 2017-06-19, 15:23
- Considering streaming revenue -
kidtsunami,
2017-06-19, 16:08
- Considering streaming revenue - Durandal, 2017-06-19, 16:47
- Competitive play and Meaning -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-18, 15:52