
Competitive play and Meaning (Destiny)
In a PvP context this has never been my experience with Destiny. My best rewards were often in losing matches. And the capability difference in Trials Gear, like all the Meta-Rolled gear, requires the end player to be able to use it. Smart play still beats out the numeric advantages of their gear.
Not that I like the functional Gear hidden in the Lighthouse. Just that the I have never seen a reward stream influnce subsequent wins in any major form.
For Destiny PvP, this only applies to Trials, because that's the only pvp mode where you could get higher than otherwise available in pvp light level gear (and, to a lesser extent, because adept weapons are very slightly overstatted). You would only notice any difference in Trials and Iron Banner because those modes are the only ones where light level matters.
I'm using a theoretical example to illustrate a point about potentially rewarding players for doing well on a ranked ladder system, which is rumored - it's not a real thing you could actually see and play right now, just a theory.
With that in mind, just as I mentioned that Destiny goes long stretches between updates, so too did trials gear top out at 400 and allow us plebs to get equal footing after a while. But those first weeks, if you didn't take 3 hunters to the lighthouse for gear, or luck into the right drops, you were at a disadvantage. There were definitely games I played where my 390 guy had to land 4 shots to kill a 400 player with the same gun who only needed to land 3 to kill me. It was noticeable. If there were grades of increasingly better rewards, as is typical in a ladder system, you end up giving the best players better gear, making them even better, while giving the worst players nothing, keeping them the worst. The result is that the game becomes harder for bad players and easier for good ones, and that's the opposite of what you want in pvp. You want everyone to feel like it's a challenge, rather than wanting to de facto segregate the good and bad players into a 1% and 99% situation.
Complete thread:
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-18, 15:43
- Competitive play and Meaning -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-18, 15:52
- Competitive play and Meaning -
stabbim,
2017-06-19, 00:18
- Competitive play and Meaning - cheapLEY, 2017-06-19, 00:24
- Competitive play and Meaning -
dogcow,
2017-06-19, 15:01
- Competitive play and Meaning - stabbim, 2017-06-19, 15:46
- Competitive play and Meaning - Vortech, 2017-06-27, 10:26
- Competitive play and Meaning - narcogen, 2017-06-19, 00:40
- Competitive play and Meaning -
stabbim,
2017-06-19, 00:18
- Agreed - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-06-18, 18:29
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Korny,
2017-06-18, 19:25
- Competitive play and Meaning -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-18, 19:36
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? -
DEEP_NNN,
2017-06-18, 19:58
- Hard mode should be cosmetic only, IMO -
Kahzgul,
2017-06-19, 03:39
- Hard mode should be cosmetic only, IMO - narcogen, 2017-06-19, 11:05
- Hard mode should be cosmetic only, IMO -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-19, 13:27
- One argument against this -
Claude Errera,
2017-06-19, 17:01
- One argument against this -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-19, 17:32
- One argument against this - Claude Errera, 2017-06-19, 18:07
- Excellent point -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-06-19, 17:40
- +1 - Claude Errera, 2017-06-19, 18:08
- One argument against this -
Kahzgul,
2017-06-20, 00:24
- This all sounds rad.
- CyberKN, 2017-06-20, 00:29
- Thanks, buddy
- Kahzgul, 2017-06-21, 02:47
- Thanks, buddy
- One argument against this - stabbim, 2017-06-20, 14:56
- I love this idea -
Robot Chickens,
2017-06-20, 15:41
- I love this idea -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-20, 15:58
- I love this idea - Robot Chickens, 2017-06-20, 20:53
- I'm not so sure. -
Kermit,
2017-06-20, 17:20
- +1
- kidtsunami, 2017-06-20, 17:40
- I'm not so sure. -
MacAddictXIV,
2017-06-20, 17:51
- I'm not so sure. -
Kermit,
2017-06-20, 18:39
- I'm not so sure. -
MacAddictXIV,
2017-06-20, 18:55
- Good point!
- Kermit, 2017-06-20, 19:06
- Good point!
- I'm not so sure. -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-20, 19:00
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-20, 21:28
- I'm not so sure. -
Kermit,
2017-06-20, 22:40
- I'm not so sure. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-06-21, 01:28
- I'm not so sure. - Cody Miller, 2017-06-21, 02:01
- I'm not so sure. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-06-21, 01:28
- I'm not so sure. - Cody Miller, 2017-06-21, 00:49
- I'm not so sure. -
Kermit,
2017-06-20, 22:40
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-20, 21:28
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-20, 20:14
- I'm not so sure. -
Harmanimus,
2017-06-20, 22:21
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-20, 23:08
- I'm not so sure. -
Harmanimus,
2017-06-20, 23:47
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-21, 00:14
- I'm about to sound like a broken record... - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-06-21, 00:59
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-21, 00:14
- I'm not so sure. -
Harmanimus,
2017-06-20, 23:47
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-20, 23:08
- I'm not so sure. -
Harmanimus,
2017-06-20, 22:21
- I'm not so sure. -
MacAddictXIV,
2017-06-20, 18:55
- I'm not so sure. -
Kermit,
2017-06-20, 18:39
- I'm not so sure. - Robot Chickens, 2017-06-20, 20:50
- +1
- I love this idea -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-20, 15:58
- I like everything in this post.
- Claude Errera, 2017-06-20, 16:03
- :) thanks
- Kahzgul, 2017-06-21, 02:46
- :) thanks
- This all sounds rad.
- One argument against this -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-19, 17:32
- One argument against this -
Claude Errera,
2017-06-19, 17:01
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-06-19, 16:39
- agree.
- Kermit, 2017-06-19, 16:48
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? -
DEEP_NNN,
2017-06-19, 17:52
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-06-19, 18:25
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? - Kermit, 2017-06-19, 18:40
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? - Cody Miller, 2017-06-19, 19:13
- agree.
- Hard mode should be cosmetic only, IMO -
Kahzgul,
2017-06-19, 03:39
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Korny,
2017-06-18, 22:41
- Competitive play and Meaning - cheapLEY, 2017-06-18, 22:50
- Competitive play and Meaning - Cody Miller, 2017-06-18, 23:51
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Kahzgul,
2017-06-19, 03:43
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Harmanimus,
2017-06-19, 15:54
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Kahzgul,
2017-06-20, 00:40
- Competitive play and Meaning - Harmanimus, 2017-06-20, 16:19
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Kahzgul,
2017-06-20, 00:40
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Harmanimus,
2017-06-19, 15:54
- +infinity - Harmanimus, 2017-06-19, 16:13
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? -
DEEP_NNN,
2017-06-18, 19:58
- Competitive play and Meaning - Cody Miller, 2017-06-18, 21:17
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-06-19, 15:48
- Competitive play and Meaning - Durandal, 2017-06-19, 16:43
- Competitive play and Meaning -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-18, 19:36
- Getting rid of visible ranks has been one of the best things - FyreWulff, 2017-06-18, 19:57
- Competitive play and Meaning - stabbim, 2017-06-19, 00:20
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists -
unoudid,
2017-06-19, 11:58
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-19, 14:41
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists -
Korny,
2017-06-19, 16:16
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists - Harmanimus, 2017-06-19, 16:20
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-19, 16:31
- I like JIP -
squidnh3,
2017-06-19, 17:08
- I like JIP +1 - dogcow, 2017-06-19, 17:34
- You are wrong, so your points are not valid ;)
- unoudid, 2017-06-19, 19:04
- I like JIP -
squidnh3,
2017-06-19, 17:08
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists -
Korny,
2017-06-19, 16:16
- First Effing game of the day - unoudid, 2017-06-19, 20:47
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-19, 14:41
- Competitive play and Meaning - CyberKN, 2017-06-19, 15:23
- Considering streaming revenue -
kidtsunami,
2017-06-19, 16:08
- Considering streaming revenue - Durandal, 2017-06-19, 16:47
- Competitive play and Meaning -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-18, 15:52