
Hard mode should be cosmetic only, IMO (Destiny)
I believe rewarding successful hard mode raiders with superior weapons/armour they obviously don't need seems silly.
I don't mind a longer road to finishing a raid. Superior weapons/armour should be reasonably achievable by almost any skill level. If I have to wait until I earned the game-over gun, then at least I have a better chance at completing a Raid.
I've been advocating this for a while. It was a major problem in WoW and it's a major problem in Destiny as well. Players who are capable of completing the hardest challenge in the game do not need that challenge to be made any easier. Doing so creates a situation where you get a bunch of players who, after clearing once, are then more likely to clear a 2nd time, and 3rd, by large degrees, until they have it on farm and everyone is geared in that stuff. Whereas a team that is struggling to clear the hard mode, and is even just one week behind the curve, ends up exponentially behind the other players in terms of gear.
The result is an underclass of players who, even though they can clear the hardest content in the game, are behind the curve in terms of gear, and are stuck in a grind they may not want just to stay competitive in "light level matters" pvp modes. I *hate* that I have to clear the hard mode raid umpteen times to get max light level just so I can be on even footing in pvp. I also hate that some raiders have to pvp endlessly to get certain weapons they "need" for raiding.
The real hard mode isn't "can you clear hard mode?" It's "can you stomach clearing hard mode every flippin' week for the next three months because we don't actually have enough content to keep you involved so we're using rare and challenging gear drops tied to a weekly lockout in order to increase our player engagement?"
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- Competitive play and Meaning -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-18, 15:43
- Competitive play and Meaning -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-18, 15:52
- Competitive play and Meaning -
stabbim,
2017-06-19, 00:18
- Competitive play and Meaning - cheapLEY, 2017-06-19, 00:24
- Competitive play and Meaning -
dogcow,
2017-06-19, 15:01
- Competitive play and Meaning - stabbim, 2017-06-19, 15:46
- Competitive play and Meaning - Vortech, 2017-06-27, 10:26
- Competitive play and Meaning - narcogen, 2017-06-19, 00:40
- Competitive play and Meaning -
stabbim,
2017-06-19, 00:18
- Agreed - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-06-18, 18:29
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Korny,
2017-06-18, 19:25
- Competitive play and Meaning -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-18, 19:36
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? -
DEEP_NNN,
2017-06-18, 19:58
- Hard mode should be cosmetic only, IMO -
Kahzgul,
2017-06-19, 03:39
- Hard mode should be cosmetic only, IMO - narcogen, 2017-06-19, 11:05
- Hard mode should be cosmetic only, IMO -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-19, 13:27
- One argument against this -
Claude Errera,
2017-06-19, 17:01
- One argument against this -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-19, 17:32
- One argument against this - Claude Errera, 2017-06-19, 18:07
- Excellent point -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-06-19, 17:40
- +1 - Claude Errera, 2017-06-19, 18:08
- One argument against this -
Kahzgul,
2017-06-20, 00:24
- This all sounds rad.
- CyberKN, 2017-06-20, 00:29
- Thanks, buddy
- Kahzgul, 2017-06-21, 02:47
- Thanks, buddy
- One argument against this - stabbim, 2017-06-20, 14:56
- I love this idea -
Robot Chickens,
2017-06-20, 15:41
- I love this idea -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-20, 15:58
- I love this idea - Robot Chickens, 2017-06-20, 20:53
- I'm not so sure. -
Kermit,
2017-06-20, 17:20
- +1
- kidtsunami, 2017-06-20, 17:40
- I'm not so sure. -
MacAddictXIV,
2017-06-20, 17:51
- I'm not so sure. -
Kermit,
2017-06-20, 18:39
- I'm not so sure. -
MacAddictXIV,
2017-06-20, 18:55
- Good point!
- Kermit, 2017-06-20, 19:06
- Good point!
- I'm not so sure. -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-20, 19:00
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-20, 21:28
- I'm not so sure. -
Kermit,
2017-06-20, 22:40
- I'm not so sure. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-06-21, 01:28
- I'm not so sure. - Cody Miller, 2017-06-21, 02:01
- I'm not so sure. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-06-21, 01:28
- I'm not so sure. - Cody Miller, 2017-06-21, 00:49
- I'm not so sure. -
Kermit,
2017-06-20, 22:40
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-20, 21:28
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-20, 20:14
- I'm not so sure. -
Harmanimus,
2017-06-20, 22:21
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-20, 23:08
- I'm not so sure. -
Harmanimus,
2017-06-20, 23:47
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-21, 00:14
- I'm about to sound like a broken record... - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-06-21, 00:59
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-21, 00:14
- I'm not so sure. -
Harmanimus,
2017-06-20, 23:47
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-20, 23:08
- I'm not so sure. -
Harmanimus,
2017-06-20, 22:21
- I'm not so sure. -
MacAddictXIV,
2017-06-20, 18:55
- I'm not so sure. -
Kermit,
2017-06-20, 18:39
- I'm not so sure. - Robot Chickens, 2017-06-20, 20:50
- +1
- I love this idea -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-20, 15:58
- I like everything in this post.
- Claude Errera, 2017-06-20, 16:03
- :) thanks
- Kahzgul, 2017-06-21, 02:46
- :) thanks
- This all sounds rad.
- One argument against this -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-19, 17:32
- One argument against this -
Claude Errera,
2017-06-19, 17:01
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-06-19, 16:39
- agree.
- Kermit, 2017-06-19, 16:48
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? -
DEEP_NNN,
2017-06-19, 17:52
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-06-19, 18:25
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? - Kermit, 2017-06-19, 18:40
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? - Cody Miller, 2017-06-19, 19:13
- agree.
- Hard mode should be cosmetic only, IMO -
Kahzgul,
2017-06-19, 03:39
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Korny,
2017-06-18, 22:41
- Competitive play and Meaning - cheapLEY, 2017-06-18, 22:50
- Competitive play and Meaning - Cody Miller, 2017-06-18, 23:51
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Kahzgul,
2017-06-19, 03:43
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Harmanimus,
2017-06-19, 15:54
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Kahzgul,
2017-06-20, 00:40
- Competitive play and Meaning - Harmanimus, 2017-06-20, 16:19
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Kahzgul,
2017-06-20, 00:40
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Harmanimus,
2017-06-19, 15:54
- +infinity - Harmanimus, 2017-06-19, 16:13
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? -
DEEP_NNN,
2017-06-18, 19:58
- Competitive play and Meaning - Cody Miller, 2017-06-18, 21:17
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-06-19, 15:48
- Competitive play and Meaning - Durandal, 2017-06-19, 16:43
- Competitive play and Meaning -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-18, 19:36
- Getting rid of visible ranks has been one of the best things - FyreWulff, 2017-06-18, 19:57
- Competitive play and Meaning - stabbim, 2017-06-19, 00:20
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists -
unoudid,
2017-06-19, 11:58
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-19, 14:41
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists -
Korny,
2017-06-19, 16:16
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists - Harmanimus, 2017-06-19, 16:20
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-19, 16:31
- I like JIP -
squidnh3,
2017-06-19, 17:08
- I like JIP +1 - dogcow, 2017-06-19, 17:34
- You are wrong, so your points are not valid ;)
- unoudid, 2017-06-19, 19:04
- I like JIP -
squidnh3,
2017-06-19, 17:08
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists -
Korny,
2017-06-19, 16:16
- First Effing game of the day - unoudid, 2017-06-19, 20:47
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-19, 14:41
- Competitive play and Meaning - CyberKN, 2017-06-19, 15:23
- Considering streaming revenue -
kidtsunami,
2017-06-19, 16:08
- Considering streaming revenue - Durandal, 2017-06-19, 16:47
- Competitive play and Meaning -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-18, 15:52