
One argument against this (Destiny)
This is totally valid given the current loot system.
That being said, if the hard mode was rebalanced to be cosmetic items only, you would get things like oracle killer from the normal mode, and need them for the hard mode. It would be a situation where the hard mode would be every bit as finely tuned as it is now, but would not require current hard mode loot - it would require the best available normal mode loot because (hopefully obviously) hard mode loot wouldn't exist.
Like if Bungie just added a new, SUPER hard mode VoG that was light 410, dropped no loot at all save a guaranteed spaceship and shader on final kill, with a guaranteed emblem if you do it with no wipes. It would be hard as hell compared to 390 VoG, right? But still fully doable (I imagine), and doable without a need for weekly farming unless you were obsessed with getting flawless. Not doable for every raid group, but doable for the ultra elite groups who simply want more challenge.
You could even do a raid that, once anyone had cleared it, got 1 light level harder the following week for everyone attempting it. Then it would just be an endgame competition for the best of the best, purely for bragging rights. The initial balance would be upended by player ability, and not by somewhat arbitrary designer guesses as to what an appropriate difficulty should be.
Complete thread:
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-18, 15:43
- Competitive play and Meaning -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-18, 15:52
- Competitive play and Meaning -
stabbim,
2017-06-19, 00:18
- Competitive play and Meaning - cheapLEY, 2017-06-19, 00:24
- Competitive play and Meaning -
dogcow,
2017-06-19, 15:01
- Competitive play and Meaning - stabbim, 2017-06-19, 15:46
- Competitive play and Meaning - Vortech, 2017-06-27, 10:26
- Competitive play and Meaning - narcogen, 2017-06-19, 00:40
- Competitive play and Meaning -
stabbim,
2017-06-19, 00:18
- Agreed - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-06-18, 18:29
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Korny,
2017-06-18, 19:25
- Competitive play and Meaning -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-18, 19:36
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? -
DEEP_NNN,
2017-06-18, 19:58
- Hard mode should be cosmetic only, IMO -
Kahzgul,
2017-06-19, 03:39
- Hard mode should be cosmetic only, IMO - narcogen, 2017-06-19, 11:05
- Hard mode should be cosmetic only, IMO -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-19, 13:27
- One argument against this -
Claude Errera,
2017-06-19, 17:01
- One argument against this -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-19, 17:32
- One argument against this - Claude Errera, 2017-06-19, 18:07
- Excellent point -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-06-19, 17:40
- +1 - Claude Errera, 2017-06-19, 18:08
- One argument against this -
Kahzgul,
2017-06-20, 00:24
- This all sounds rad.
- CyberKN, 2017-06-20, 00:29
- Thanks, buddy
- Kahzgul, 2017-06-21, 02:47
- Thanks, buddy
- One argument against this - stabbim, 2017-06-20, 14:56
- I love this idea -
Robot Chickens,
2017-06-20, 15:41
- I love this idea -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-20, 15:58
- I love this idea - Robot Chickens, 2017-06-20, 20:53
- I'm not so sure. -
Kermit,
2017-06-20, 17:20
- +1
- kidtsunami, 2017-06-20, 17:40
- I'm not so sure. -
MacAddictXIV,
2017-06-20, 17:51
- I'm not so sure. -
Kermit,
2017-06-20, 18:39
- I'm not so sure. -
MacAddictXIV,
2017-06-20, 18:55
- Good point!
- Kermit, 2017-06-20, 19:06
- Good point!
- I'm not so sure. -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-20, 19:00
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-20, 21:28
- I'm not so sure. -
Kermit,
2017-06-20, 22:40
- I'm not so sure. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-06-21, 01:28
- I'm not so sure. - Cody Miller, 2017-06-21, 02:01
- I'm not so sure. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-06-21, 01:28
- I'm not so sure. - Cody Miller, 2017-06-21, 00:49
- I'm not so sure. -
Kermit,
2017-06-20, 22:40
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-20, 21:28
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-20, 20:14
- I'm not so sure. -
Harmanimus,
2017-06-20, 22:21
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-20, 23:08
- I'm not so sure. -
Harmanimus,
2017-06-20, 23:47
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-21, 00:14
- I'm about to sound like a broken record... - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-06-21, 00:59
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-21, 00:14
- I'm not so sure. -
Harmanimus,
2017-06-20, 23:47
- I'm not so sure. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-20, 23:08
- I'm not so sure. -
Harmanimus,
2017-06-20, 22:21
- I'm not so sure. -
MacAddictXIV,
2017-06-20, 18:55
- I'm not so sure. -
Kermit,
2017-06-20, 18:39
- I'm not so sure. - Robot Chickens, 2017-06-20, 20:50
- +1
- I love this idea -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-20, 15:58
- I like everything in this post.
- Claude Errera, 2017-06-20, 16:03
- :) thanks
- Kahzgul, 2017-06-21, 02:46
- :) thanks
- This all sounds rad.
- One argument against this -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-19, 17:32
- One argument against this -
Claude Errera,
2017-06-19, 17:01
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-06-19, 16:39
- agree.
- Kermit, 2017-06-19, 16:48
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? -
DEEP_NNN,
2017-06-19, 17:52
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? - CruelLEGACEY, 2017-06-19, 18:25
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? - Kermit, 2017-06-19, 18:40
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? - Cody Miller, 2017-06-19, 19:13
- agree.
- Hard mode should be cosmetic only, IMO -
Kahzgul,
2017-06-19, 03:39
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Korny,
2017-06-18, 22:41
- Competitive play and Meaning - cheapLEY, 2017-06-18, 22:50
- Competitive play and Meaning - Cody Miller, 2017-06-18, 23:51
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Kahzgul,
2017-06-19, 03:43
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Harmanimus,
2017-06-19, 15:54
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Kahzgul,
2017-06-20, 00:40
- Competitive play and Meaning - Harmanimus, 2017-06-20, 16:19
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Kahzgul,
2017-06-20, 00:40
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Harmanimus,
2017-06-19, 15:54
- +infinity - Harmanimus, 2017-06-19, 16:13
- What about stuff locked behind hard mode Raids? -
DEEP_NNN,
2017-06-18, 19:58
- Competitive play and Meaning - Cody Miller, 2017-06-18, 21:17
- Competitive play and Meaning -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-06-19, 15:48
- Competitive play and Meaning - Durandal, 2017-06-19, 16:43
- Competitive play and Meaning -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-18, 19:36
- Getting rid of visible ranks has been one of the best things - FyreWulff, 2017-06-18, 19:57
- Competitive play and Meaning - stabbim, 2017-06-19, 00:20
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists -
unoudid,
2017-06-19, 11:58
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-19, 14:41
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists -
Korny,
2017-06-19, 16:16
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists - Harmanimus, 2017-06-19, 16:20
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-19, 16:31
- I like JIP -
squidnh3,
2017-06-19, 17:08
- I like JIP +1 - dogcow, 2017-06-19, 17:34
- You are wrong, so your points are not valid ;)
- unoudid, 2017-06-19, 19:04
- I like JIP -
squidnh3,
2017-06-19, 17:08
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists -
Korny,
2017-06-19, 16:16
- First Effing game of the day - unoudid, 2017-06-19, 20:47
- I would like ranked & unranked playlists -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-19, 14:41
- Competitive play and Meaning - CyberKN, 2017-06-19, 15:23
- Considering streaming revenue -
kidtsunami,
2017-06-19, 16:08
- Considering streaming revenue - Durandal, 2017-06-19, 16:47
- Competitive play and Meaning -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-18, 15:52