Am I seeing things that no one else is... saying? (Off-Topic)

by cheapLEY , Wednesday, July 04, 2018, 20:31 (2122 days ago) @ INSANEdrive

Rey hasn’t seen his failure and doesn’t know his past pain that led to these circumstances, ...

Much like the audience.

That's sort of the point, isn't it? Think it cruel trickery or whatever, if you want. But fans spent the time between The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi theorizing about how badass Luke Skywalker was going to be when he finally came back (and he exceeded my expectations in the most perfect way, by the way). Rey is us in that moment, almost precisely.

I don't understand where you're coming from with the idea that Luke's turn isn't fleshed out or well explained. We hear it literally from Luke's own mouth. What more do you need? Do we really need to see every thing Ben ever did as a kid that made Luke scared enough to turn on his lightsaber in that moment? Luke's word that he was that scared isn't good enough? Is that moment not enough to make you believe that Luke would feel such failure that he would turn his back on the Jedi path? It makes complete sense to me, I totally buy everything about it.

You said in one of your previous posts that audiences are stupid. I completely disagree. Not every single little detail needs to be laid out. I would argue that if you can't believe Luke's turn, that's a problem with you, not a problem with the film, because the films makes it pretty clear without lingering on it for ages (as if it has the minutes to spare). I don't mean that as a dig at you, really, I'm just not sure how else to say it. I don't mean that it's a "problem" with you, maybe more that it's just a result of your expectations for storytelling.