Good post. (Destiny)
Alright, so Marathon is clearly the Next Big Thing (TM) for Bungie. It is receiving the lion's share of the company's attention and resources internally and is being funded by the revenue stream from Destiny 2. That revenue stream is now failing to meet expectations, which is threatening the future growth potential of the entire company, so something has to change. I get that. I was quite negative on Marathon back when it was announced and my position today has not changed. I mean, just take a step back here. Bungie has spent over a decade fine-tuning one of the most miserable PvP experiences in modern gaming -- by almost every single metric -- and their Hail Mary move is to take that "expertise" to a PvP-exclusive title and double down on games-as-a-service? That's the play to secure the future of the company?
Really?!
It's not that I oppose PvP-centric games on principle or that I am necessarily against games-as-a-service. (It's often designed exploitatively, but it can work with smart designers at the helm.) It's just that I am not convinced by Bungie's strategy at all. How can you possibly think of going PvP-exclusive when your current PvP model is complete ass?! They can’t even get matchmaking right.
So yes, I recognize that these layoffs represent a strategic move to bolster Marathon's development cycle as much as possible (arguably), since that is where the company has chosen to place the lion's share of its hopes for the future... but I question the entire strategy here. This really does not feel like a good direction for the company overall.
...
I hate being so negative. I would really, really love to offer something positive here. Bungie is a great developer with a long track record of delivering world-class titles to the industry. They shaped my adolescence and informed my love of video games more than any other single developer. I want Marathon to prove me wrong and succeed beyond anyone's wildest dreams, both creatively and monetarily, as a new world-class title in the storied Bungie canon.
I just struggle to see any trace of the company that actually built that canon anymore.
On the other hand, they (or some past form of "they") did kind of invent Xbox Live PVP. I seriously doubt a PVP-only game-as-a-service will be a thing for me, but I hope they know what they're doing. I wish them well.
Complete thread:
- bad news @ Bungie -
Kermit,
2023-10-30, 14:18
- Final Shape delay to June 2024!??! Woah. -
INSANEdrive,
2023-10-30, 14:48
- Oh man, it's a bloodbath. -
INSANEdrive,
2023-10-30, 16:33
- Rumor is Michael Salvatori has been let go too. -
cheapLEY,
2023-10-30, 18:27
- Rumor is Michael Salvatori has been let go too. - bluerunner, 2023-10-30, 18:51
- I saw that, it's so big I wanted to wait. It's Confirmed. :( - INSANEdrive, 2023-10-30, 18:59
- Lorraine McLees (Mehve) got laid off too -
FyreWulff,
2023-10-30, 19:56
- Holy shit *NM* -
Avateur,
2023-10-30, 21:36
- Holy shit *NM* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2023-11-01, 18:52
- Holy shit *NM* -
Avateur,
2023-11-02, 08:19
- Holy shit *NM* -
stabbim,
2023-11-02, 13:37
- Holy shit *NM* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2023-11-05, 16:03
- Holy shit *NM* -
bluerunner,
2023-11-05, 19:34
- Holy shit *NM* - SonofMacPhisto, 2023-11-07, 14:24
- Classic - stabbim, 2023-11-13, 13:51
- Holy shit *NM* -
Kermit,
2023-11-06, 05:18
- Holy shit *NM* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2023-11-07, 14:25
- Holy shit *NM* - Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316), 2023-11-09, 09:19
- Holy shit *NM* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2023-11-07, 14:25
- Holy shit *NM* - stabbim, 2023-11-13, 13:51
- Holy shit *NM* -
bluerunner,
2023-11-05, 19:34
- Holy shit *NM* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2023-11-05, 16:03
- Holy shit *NM* -
stabbim,
2023-11-02, 13:37
- Holy shit *NM* -
Avateur,
2023-11-02, 08:19
- Holy shit *NM* -
SonofMacPhisto,
2023-11-01, 18:52
- Ugh. -
Kermit,
2023-10-31, 01:23
- Ugh. - SonofMacPhisto, 2023-11-01, 18:57
- WTF?!?! How do you fire LORRAINE? - Anna Komnene, 2023-10-31, 05:35
- Feels like they should just rename the company at that point - stabbim, 2023-11-02, 13:41
- How do you fire the designer of the Pillar of Autumn? -
Leviathan,
2023-11-03, 09:58
- How do you fire the designer of the Pillar of Autumn? - Cody Miller, 2023-11-03, 10:59
- Holy shit *NM* -
Avateur,
2023-10-30, 21:36
- Oh man, it's a bloodbath. - Yapok, 2023-11-03, 19:49
- Rumor is Michael Salvatori has been let go too. -
cheapLEY,
2023-10-30, 18:27
- Oh man, it's a bloodbath. -
INSANEdrive,
2023-10-30, 16:33
- bad news @ Bungie -
Cody Miller,
2023-10-30, 15:07
- Mind your b's and p's. -
Vortech,
2023-10-30, 20:52
- What the hell is a pillion -
Cody Miller,
2023-10-30, 23:26
- It's what you give Nathan Fillion when he's sick. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2023-11-01, 19:11
- 🏆 - CyberKN, 2023-11-01, 19:16
- *slow clap* - stabbim, 2023-11-02, 13:42
- jeremiahjohnsonnod.gif - Morpheus, 2023-11-03, 12:56
- It's what you give Nathan Fillion when he's sick. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2023-11-01, 19:11
- What the hell is a pillion -
Cody Miller,
2023-10-30, 23:26
- Mind your b's and p's. -
Vortech,
2023-10-30, 20:52
- bad news @ Bungie - cheapLEY, 2023-10-30, 15:14
- this fucking sucks - kidtsunami, 2023-10-30, 17:04
- bad news @ Bungie -
FyreWulff,
2023-10-30, 19:42
- bad news @ Bungie - kidtsunami, 2023-10-31, 07:48
- fool me once, fool me twice, fool me thrice -
Robot Chickens,
2023-10-30, 21:32
- fool me once, fool me twice, fool me thrice -
Cody Miller,
2023-10-30, 23:25
- fool me once, fool me twice, fool me thrice -
cheapLEY,
2023-10-31, 04:55
- fool me once, fool me twice, fool me thrice -
Cody Miller,
2023-10-31, 08:06
- $1.2 Billion -
cheapLEY,
2023-10-31, 09:50
- More info: -
cheapLEY,
2023-10-31, 10:50
- More info: -
Vortech,
2023-10-31, 14:02
- A LITTLE bit more info. - Vortech, 2023-10-31, 16:23
- More info: -
Cody Miller,
2023-10-31, 14:51
- More info: - cheapLEY, 2023-10-31, 15:27
- More info: -
Vortech,
2023-10-31, 16:31
- More info: -
Kermit,
2023-10-31, 20:03
- More info: -
uberfoop,
2023-10-31, 22:05
- More info: - Kermit, 2023-11-01, 03:35
- More info: -
uberfoop,
2023-10-31, 22:05
- More info: - Cody Miller, 2023-10-31, 22:16
- More info: - uberfoop, 2023-10-31, 23:11
- More info: -
Kermit,
2023-10-31, 20:03
- More info: - Coaxkez, 2023-11-01, 07:41
- More info: -
Vortech,
2023-10-31, 14:02
- More info: -
cheapLEY,
2023-10-31, 10:50
- $1.2 Billion -
cheapLEY,
2023-10-31, 09:50
- fool me once, fool me twice, fool me thrice -
Cody Miller,
2023-10-31, 08:06
- Good guy Alex - Robot Chickens, 2023-10-31, 11:20
- fool me once, fool me twice, fool me thrice -
cheapLEY,
2023-10-31, 04:55
- fool me once, fool me twice, fool me thrice -
Cody Miller,
2023-10-30, 23:25
- bad news @ Bungie - Captain Spark, 2023-10-31, 08:11
- Is there a list of the fallen? -
Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316),
2023-10-31, 08:54
- Is there a list of the fallen? -
bluerunner,
2023-10-31, 13:04
- Is there a list of the fallen? -
Claude Errera,
2023-10-31, 13:27
- Is there a list of the fallen? -
Anna Komnene,
2023-10-31, 14:43
- Is there a list of the fallen? - Joe Duplessie (SNIPE 316), 2023-11-01, 14:54
- For the remaining Bungie employees… - Korny, 2023-11-01, 20:56
- Is there a list of the fallen? -
Anna Komnene,
2023-10-31, 14:43
- Is there a list of the fallen? - Cody Miller, 2023-10-31, 14:55
- Is there a list of the fallen? -
Claude Errera,
2023-10-31, 13:27
- Is there a list of the fallen? -
bluerunner,
2023-10-31, 13:04
- I hate to do this, but I've got to be negative for a second. -
Coaxkez,
2023-11-01, 08:11
- Good post. -
Kermit,
2023-11-01, 09:06
- Good post. -
Coaxkez,
2023-11-01, 09:59
- Good post. - Cody Miller, 2023-11-01, 12:25
- Good post. -
Coaxkez,
2023-11-01, 09:59
- I hate to do this, but I've got to be negative for a second. -
EffortlessFury,
2023-11-01, 10:51
- I hate to do this, but I've got to be negative for a second. - Coaxkez, 2023-11-01, 11:04
- Powers -
Beorn,
2023-11-01, 17:29
- Powers - Schooly D, 2023-11-01, 18:24
- I hate to do this, but I've got to be negative for a second. - Cody Miller, 2023-11-01, 12:23
- Second look at 343 Industries? -
Schooly D,
2023-11-01, 14:15
- That would require a certain bar of quality. - CyberKN, 2023-11-01, 15:02
- Let’s not get crazy here. - Coaxkez, 2023-11-01, 16:04
- Maybe? I'm loving the latest season - kidtsunami, 2023-11-01, 16:51
- I hate to do this, but I've got to be negative for a second. -
squidnh3,
2023-11-03, 08:19
- I hate to do this, but I've got to be negative for a second. - Kermit, 2023-11-06, 05:52
- I hate to do this, but I've got to be negative for a second. -
Cody Miller,
2023-11-06, 08:06
- why would you hurt me this way -
kidtsunami,
2023-11-06, 10:07
- Loved "First Light" - Kermit, 2023-11-06, 12:51
- The new Vex map had Sparrows again ;) - ZackDark, 2023-11-07, 13:44
- why would you hurt me this way -
kidtsunami,
2023-11-06, 10:07
- Good post. -
Kermit,
2023-11-01, 09:06
- Not the first time they've gotten rid of key people -
Cody Miller,
2023-11-03, 14:35
- Not the first time they've ... (Full Quote) - INSANEdrive, 2023-11-03, 16:18
- Interesting - Coaxkez, 2023-11-03, 19:58
- Not the first time they've gotten rid of key people -
cheapLEY,
2023-11-03, 20:10
- Not the first time they've gotten rid of key people -
Cody Miller,
2023-11-04, 01:01
- Not the first time they've gotten rid of key people - EffortlessFury, 2023-11-04, 11:59
- Not the first time they've gotten rid of key people -
Cody Miller,
2023-11-04, 01:01
- bad news @ Bungie - INSANEdrive, 2023-11-04, 10:16
- Final Shape delay to June 2024!??! Woah. -
INSANEdrive,
2023-10-30, 14:48