Agreed. Mostly. (Destiny)
One of the best parts of any boss fight is learning the attack patterns so you can ultimately exploit them. But in order to learn them, you have to first experience them without prior knowledge of them, which could arguably be called cheap - "How was I supposed to know he'd tirn into a Snake and eat my car?!".
The line between cheap and a "puzzle" can be very fine, and I think it's very much down to the devs in making a world with consistent rules to help you learn how to deal with new threats. The Souls series obviously springs to mind, as do many Metroidvanias and zelda games (which are totally just 3D ametroidvanias, but people get upset when I say that).
But! I feel like actually failing can sometimes be better than almost failing. Depending on the type of game, an "I'll get him next time" can be much more driving (and satisfying) than an overly forgiving first time. A near miss is nice, but an earned victory is better.
Complete thread:
- Are Destiny's "lows" what make it so great? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-07, 19:59
- Are Destiny's "lows" what make it so great? -
Cody Miller,
2015-11-07, 20:19
- Are Destiny's "lows" what make it so great? -
cheapLEY,
2015-11-07, 20:49
- Are Destiny's "lows" what make it so great? -
stabbim,
2015-11-07, 22:52
- Are Destiny's "lows" what make it so great? -
Cody Miller,
2015-11-08, 00:12
- My understanding is that it's fundamentally unchanged. -
slycrel,
2015-11-08, 01:07
- My understanding is that it's fundamentally unchanged. - stabbim, 2015-11-08, 20:50
- My understanding is that it's fundamentally unchanged. -
slycrel,
2015-11-08, 01:07
- Are Destiny's "lows" what make it so great? -
Cody Miller,
2015-11-08, 00:12
- Are Destiny's "lows" what make it so great? -
stabbim,
2015-11-07, 22:52
- Are Destiny's "lows" what make it so great? -
cheapLEY,
2015-11-07, 20:49
- Are Destiny's "lows" what make it so great? - EffortlessFury, 2015-11-07, 21:10
- Are Destiny's "lows" what make it so great? - TheeChaos, 2015-11-07, 21:15
- Are Destiny's "lows" what make it so great? -
petetheduck,
2015-11-07, 21:55
- Having now spent some time with Halo and BOIII -
Durandal,
2015-11-07, 23:36
- Having now spent some time with Halo and BOIII -
cheapLEY,
2015-11-08, 00:10
- This - ZackDark, 2015-11-08, 14:22
- Having now spent some time with Halo and BOLL
- Pyromancy, 2015-11-08, 06:18
- That's where my mind went, too.
- Kermit, 2015-11-09, 18:35
- That's where my mind went, too.
- Having now spent some time with Halo and BOIII -
cheapLEY,
2015-11-08, 00:10
- Having now spent some time with Halo and BOIII -
Durandal,
2015-11-07, 23:36
- No. - Funkmon, 2015-11-08, 00:24
- Good MMOs do this. -
slycrel,
2015-11-08, 01:13
- Good MMOs do this. -
Cody Miller,
2015-11-08, 02:07
- Good MMOs do this. -
slycrel,
2015-11-08, 03:22
- The importance of failure and blame. *vid* -
Korny,
2015-11-08, 17:59
- The importance of failure and blame. *vid* - slycrel, 2015-11-08, 19:59
- The importance of failure and blame. *vid* -
Korny,
2015-11-08, 17:59
- Illusion of failure -
narcogen,
2015-11-08, 12:41
- ^^^ This is a solid analysis of game design - Kahzgul, 2015-11-08, 14:43
- Agreed. Mostly. - someotherguy, 2015-11-08, 16:01
- Also the new music sucks -
someotherguy,
2015-11-08, 15:49
- Also the new music sucks -
Cody Miller,
2015-11-08, 16:33
- Also the new music sucks -
someotherguy,
2015-11-09, 14:02
- Also the new music sucks - Cody Miller, 2015-11-09, 23:39
- Also the new music sucks -
someotherguy,
2015-11-09, 14:02
- Also the new music sucks -
Cody Miller,
2015-11-08, 16:33
- Good MMOs do this. -
slycrel,
2015-11-08, 03:22
- Good MMOs do this. -
Cody Miller,
2015-11-08, 02:07
- It's the social interaction, not the game -
Kahzgul,
2015-11-08, 14:41
- It's the social interaction, not the game -
Funkmon,
2015-11-09, 13:59
- It's the social interaction, not the game - ProbablyLast, 2015-11-09, 16:15
- It's the social interaction, not the game -
Cody Miller,
2015-11-09, 18:20
- How do I unsubscribe?
- cheapLEY, 2015-11-09, 18:40
- It won't help... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-09, 19:34
- I wrote this scene for a movie once -
Kahzgul,
2015-11-09, 22:12
- A++++ Would Watch!
- cheapLEY, 2015-11-09, 22:20
- So vivid in my mind. It has to be a thing now. Make it so.
- ZackDark, 2015-11-09, 23:56
- A++++ Would Watch!
- I wrote this scene for a movie once -
Kahzgul,
2015-11-09, 22:12
- It won't help... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-11-09, 19:34
- How do I unsubscribe?
- It's the social interaction, not the game -
Cody Miller,
2015-11-09, 22:46
- It's the social interaction, not the game - Harmanimus, 2015-11-10, 18:13
- Portal 2 - Schedonnardus, 2015-11-10, 19:49
- It's the social interaction, not the game -
Funkmon,
2015-11-09, 13:59
- Are Destiny's "lows" what make it so great? -
Kermit,
2015-11-09, 18:33
- Wait, they can be stunned? - ZackDark, 2015-11-09, 19:23
- Are Destiny's "lows" what make it so great? -
Cody Miller,
2015-11-07, 20:19