Luke Smith on mistakes made in TDB and improvements with HoW (Destiny)
He's right though - The blunders of Destiny are things that anyone who'd ever made a video game before should have known to avoid. The game looks like a first attempt at what ultimately became Halo, rather than the first new IP for Bungie after Halo: Reach. The core play is great, but the design around that gameplay is just awful on tons of levels. The entire investment game is abusive to the player, the random rolls are abusive to the player, the fact that raid gear is the best gear for PvP is abusive to the player, the way all 3 characters on your account interact, the tower storage, the terrible VO, the incoherent and out of order plot that goes nowhere, the incredibly limited amount of "exploration" possible in the game maps... It's all stuff that Bungie should have known better than to implement in the way that they implemented it. 50 different currencies? Not enough inventory space to hold it all? The many exotics that are basically garbage? Being unable to go straight to the tower from anywhere that isn't orbit? The Cryptarch? It's all so very disappointing.
Now, it's not all bad: Character progression: Nailed it. Art team: Nailed it. Sound design: Nailed it. Core gameplay, super duper nailed it. Raid encounter design: Nailed it (caveat: buggy as hell and way too easy to cheese).
But if I didn't just list your department at Bungie, you failed on some pretty basic game design 101 issues.
No matter how good House of Wolves is, it won't fix Destiny short of providing a complete and total overhaul, and I suspect we won't see that until Destiny 2 at the earliest. Right now, Destiny is the only next gen game that scratches the Halo itch, but that circumstance won't last, and I doubt Destiny holds up to the next one.
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- Luke Smith on mistakes made in TDB and improvements with HoW -
bluerunner,
2015-01-24, 17:25
- Luke Smith on mistakes made in TDB and improvements with HoW - Blackt1g3r, 2015-01-24, 18:27
- Luke Smith on mistakes made in TDB and improvements with HoW - CaneCutter, 2015-01-24, 18:41
- Luke Smith on mistakes made in TDB and improvements with HoW -
Speedracer513,
2015-01-24, 18:46
- Nay, all YEAR!! - Mid7night, 2015-01-24, 19:52
- Luke Smith on mistakes made in TDB and improvements with HoW -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-24, 22:41
- Luke Smith on mistakes made in TDB and improvements with HoW -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-24, 23:48
- Luke Smith on mistakes made in TDB and improvements with HoW -
Kahzgul,
2015-01-25, 01:36
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Durandal,
2015-01-25, 06:27
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Fuertisimo,
2015-01-25, 07:26
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Durandal,
2015-01-25, 12:36
- RPGs are all about barriers - Fuertisimo, 2015-01-25, 15:01
- RPGs are all about barriers -
RC,
2015-01-25, 13:36
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-25, 13:43
- RPGs are all about barriers - RC, 2015-01-25, 14:18
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-25, 13:43
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Durandal,
2015-01-25, 12:36
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-25, 08:42
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Fuertisimo,
2015-01-25, 09:07
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-25, 10:39
- RPGs are all about barriers - Kahzgul, 2015-01-25, 10:48
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Kahzgul,
2015-01-25, 10:41
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-25, 10:44
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Fuertisimo,
2015-01-25, 10:55
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-25, 11:00
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Fuertisimo,
2015-01-25, 11:30
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-25, 13:39
- RPGs are all about barriers - Kahzgul, 2015-01-26, 08:46
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-25, 13:39
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Fuertisimo,
2015-01-25, 11:30
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-25, 11:00
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Fuertisimo,
2015-01-25, 10:55
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-25, 10:44
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-25, 10:39
- RPGs are all about barriers -
narcogen,
2015-01-25, 17:36
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-25, 18:16
- RPGs are all about barriers - RaichuKFM, 2015-01-26, 00:10
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-25, 18:16
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Fuertisimo,
2015-01-25, 09:07
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Fuertisimo,
2015-01-25, 07:26
- RPGs are all about barriers -
Durandal,
2015-01-25, 06:27
- Luke Smith on mistakes made in TDB and improvements with HoW -
Kahzgul,
2015-01-25, 01:36
- Pretty sure all those "mistakes" were intentional... -
Monochron,
2015-01-25, 09:26
- No way those were mistakes - scarab, 2015-01-25, 11:10
- Pretty sure all those "mistakes" were intentional... -
Vortech,
2015-01-25, 11:28
- Pretty sure all those "mistakes" were intentional... -
scarab,
2015-01-25, 11:47
- Pretty sure all those "mistakes" were intentional... -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-25, 12:19
- Pretty sure all those "mistakes" were intentional... -
ZackDark,
2015-01-25, 12:28
- Pretty sure all those "mistakes" were intentional... - SonofMacPhisto, 2015-01-26, 05:26
- Don't put words in my mouth -
scarab,
2015-01-25, 14:00
- Don't put words in my mouth -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-26, 05:26
- No problem :-) - scarab, 2015-01-26, 08:58
- Don't put words in my mouth -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-26, 05:26
- Pretty sure all those "mistakes" were intentional... -
ZackDark,
2015-01-25, 12:28
- Pretty sure all those "mistakes" were intentional... -
Vortech,
2015-01-25, 12:30
- Pretty sure all those "mistakes" were intentional... - scarab, 2015-01-25, 14:27
- Pretty sure all those "mistakes" were intentional... - Cody Miller, 2015-01-25, 13:41
- Pretty sure all those "mistakes" were intentional... -
SonofMacPhisto,
2015-01-25, 12:19
- Pretty sure all those "mistakes" were intentional... -
narcogen,
2015-01-25, 17:38
- Pretty sure all those "mistakes" were intentional... -
Vortech,
2015-01-25, 18:03
- Pretty sure all those "mistakes" were intentional... -
Leviathan,
2015-01-25, 19:46
- too complicated, the meme is: bungie fans are angry -
scarab,
2015-01-25, 22:58
- A bit strong don't you think? - Blackt1g3r, 2015-01-27, 10:34
- Pretty sure all those "mistakes" were intentional... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-01-26, 08:07
- Pretty sure all those "mistakes" were intentional... -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-26, 08:24
- Good point - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-01-26, 08:46
- Reasoning for Radiant Materials. A Mistake? -
dogcow,
2015-01-26, 09:22
- Reasoning for Radiant Materials. A Mistake? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-01-26, 09:38
- Reasoning for Radiant Materials. A Mistake? - dogcow, 2015-01-26, 09:51
- Reasoning for Radiant Materials. A Mistake? - Cody Miller, 2015-01-26, 11:45
- Reasoning for Radiant Materials. A Mistake? -
Cody Miller,
2015-01-26, 11:37
- A crafting system? Hell - to the freaking - yes. - RC, 2015-01-26, 13:17
- Reasoning for Radiant Materials. A Mistake? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-01-26, 09:38
- Pretty sure all those "mistakes" were intentional... - Cody Miller, 2015-01-26, 11:34
- Pretty sure all those "mistakes" were intentional... -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-26, 08:24
- Levi Was Right - RaichuKFM, 2015-01-29, 19:54
- too complicated, the meme is: bungie fans are angry -
scarab,
2015-01-25, 22:58
- Pretty sure all those "mistakes" were intentional... -
Leviathan,
2015-01-25, 19:46
- That's pretty much my take. - Kermit, 2015-01-25, 20:20
- Agreed - yakaman, 2015-01-26, 06:58
- Pretty sure all those "mistakes" were intentional... -
Vortech,
2015-01-25, 18:03
- Pretty sure all those "mistakes" were intentional... -
scarab,
2015-01-25, 11:47
- Ya know... -
RC,
2015-01-25, 14:15
- Ya know... - Monochron, 2015-01-25, 15:20
- Luke Smith on mistakes made in TDB and improvements with HoW -
Ragashingo,
2015-01-24, 23:48
- Luke Smith on mistakes made in TDB and improvements with HoW -
slycrel,
2015-01-25, 18:48
- Luke Smith on mistakes made in TDB and improvements with HoW -
Kahzgul,
2015-01-26, 10:27
- There is so much more to it than just gating progress -
scarab,
2015-01-26, 11:13
- There is so much more to it than just gating progress -
Kahzgul,
2015-01-26, 12:05
- There is so much more to it than just gating progress -
scarab,
2015-01-26, 12:35
- There is so much more to it than just gating progress -
slycrel,
2015-01-26, 14:47
- put in effort? - scarab, 2015-01-27, 09:12
- There is so much more to it than just gating progress -
slycrel,
2015-01-26, 14:47
- There is so much more to it than just gating progress -
scarab,
2015-01-26, 12:35
- There is so much more to it than just gating progress -
Kahzgul,
2015-01-26, 12:05
- There is so much more to it than just gating progress -
scarab,
2015-01-26, 11:13
- Luke Smith on mistakes made in TDB and improvements with HoW -
Kahzgul,
2015-01-26, 10:27