Yeah, exotic weapon balance is PvP's real problem. (Destiny)

by iconicbanana, C2-H5-OH + NAD, Portland, OR, Wednesday, April 08, 2015, 13:14 (3308 days ago) @ CruelLEGACEY

The real solution (that nobody wants to admit) is to give up on the concept of the Auto Rifle.

I wouldn't go that far. I think we just need more auto rifles I the slow firing/hard hitting archetype. As I and many others have pointed out, Suros and Mythoclast (I know it's technically a fusion rifle, but it behaves like an AR) are still perfectly competitive with the best hand cannons or scout rifles.

Nooooo, Those ones are the problem!

What we really need is a range nerf and a big damage boost on AR's. Turn them into SMGs; give them a bunch of kick, but the strength to kill nearly as fast as shotguns when at close range. A burst followed by a melee should kill really quick with AR's, allowing them to compete with shotguns at closer ranges, but not HC's and PR's at longer ranges. The reason they've been nerfed so much is because the vanquisher archetype is just too good at all ranges.