I think you missed my point (Destiny)

by narcogen , Andover, Massachusetts, Tuesday, February 02, 2016, 01:00 (3454 days ago) @ CruelLEGACEY
edited by narcogen, Tuesday, February 02, 2016, 01:06

You keep twisting my meaning into something way more self-righteous than what I'm saying.

If I admit that it's possible that I'm projecting more self-righteousness onto you than your post deserved, would you also admit that it's possible that you're actually being more self-righteous than you think? It seems to me to be the very base and foundation of your complaint.

I'm pointing out that a game mode, which has been designed to favor groups but still allow solo players to make some progress,

Citation needed. I think you are inferring intent that does not exist. Some IB and crucible bounties require winning, others don't. The appearance of each on a daily basis appears to be random, and this randomness is intentional. I would say there is no intent to design a system to allow for solo players to progress-- at least not on a guaranteed daily basis. Sometimes that will be the case. Sometimes it won't, as evidenced by the day you experienced where ranking up required winning or bounties and the bounties required winning.

has suddenly introduced elements that get in the way of the solo player.

Suddenly nothing. Those bounties come out of a table, and those that required winning (whether in IB or crucible) have been in the game, in some form or other, since the start.

Do you think dropping solo played into game after game after game of JIP matches is fun?

Then don't do it.

Is it ok that teams of solo players are constantly matched against full groups?

As compared to what? You're assuming that matchmaking could somehow be much better but simply doesn't care to because it can't empathize with you or something. I've no idea if matchmaking prioritizes team vs team and randoms vs randoms, but I'm guessing since people hate lag and waiting these priorities both come first. So the system has to match skill, and connection quality, and team size, and disallow joining in progress? I'm sure Bungie could do all of these things, and they also know how long it would take for the algorithm to match people under those conditions, and that's why it doesn't do it.

Or should I ask: how would my suggestion harm the game in any way? What about the situation I ran into is fun or beneficial to the game?

Disallowing any bounties in crucible or other MP modes that require wins would reduce the pool of potential bounty activities and increases the general monotony of those activities-- the sense that the same stuff is repeating, which is also something people complain a lot about. This is true no matter how large the bounty pool is, because it could always be made larger by adding bounties that require wins. So your suggestion incrementally increases the amount of repetition in a game where one of the primary complaints is the monotony of repetition.

Bungie themselves have stated many times that their matchmaking aims to give all players a 50/50 win/loss ratio*. Obviously that will ebb and flow as teams or players go on runs. If I, a far better than average player, can go 2 hours without a win than SOMETHING is going wrong with matchmaking.

The plural of anecdote is not data. Although in this case, there's really no plural, it's just one person's experience of a two hour window of play.

There's also absolutely no connection whatsoever between Bungie's target for skill-based matchmaking, which says that if the system is working correctly, it will match you up against players of equal skill, against whom you would expect to win as often as lose, and your arbitrary 2 hour time window. Having a .500 winning percentage does not mean alternating wins and losses, it means that this averages out over time. Given that people have hundreds or even thousands of hours in the game, and that there is a large population playing at any one time, I bet that players at your level or higher go two hours without a win on a daily basis. To say nothing of players that are worse!

I'd also be willing to bet that Bungie does not achieve this win percentage across all players, but rather achieves a bell curve where the largest portion of the playerbase has a .500 record, but there are outliers. The outliers, of course, are still customers like everyone else.

Your claim is akin to saying that since a flipped coin has come up heads ten times in a row, the chances of it coming up tails next time around should be higher than 50% so things can average out. That's not how that works, though.