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by Morpheus , High Charity, Sunday, August 05, 2018, 14:48 (2379 days ago) @ Morpheus

Yeah, making comments like them saying they are "lauding" it is a big part of the reason they are less fun publicly as a company now.

It would probably help if they stopped making fun of us.

The update that's announced with a date? I'm not even sure what the point of this comment is. Are you mad it took them so long? Are you mad it's still almost a month away? Either way, it doesn't make Bungie sound bad, it just makes you sound unreasonable.

Honestly, there are a couple things I'm mad about, some of which was brought up by others.

A) The first thing I'm mad about is that more efficient shader management should've been implemented. On. Day. One. It's not like the new shader system was thought up right before gold shipping and they had no time to polish it. Bungie announced during their press runs, "Hey, we're gonna revolutionize shaders and customization for this sequel, possibilities will be endless, etc." so it was indeed planned. If it were last minute, I'd be completely understanding of something like this, because anger or not this system is pretty darn huge. It definitely wasn't like the old days where you got(or bought) a shader that made everything one or two colors and decided "Oh, this looks ugly" or "This could look good on character Y" or "Holy crap, I'm going to ask this shader to marry me", and pick something for their guardians! There really should've been somebody in this crowd of designers and programmers that could say "Hey, this new system will stack up on individual shaders pretty quick! What about the people who don't like this particular set of colors, or those who don't use shaders often? We need an option for them!"

B) The second source of my anger is, yes:the fact that it took—or I guess since it's not until next month, is taking—so long. I didn't even know about Bungie ignoring all the requests until Korny linked it in his post. That revelation is annoying, but not angering or infuriating...because stuff like that happens all the time, across thousands of games and companies--a sin that most developers are guilty of. What's angering is that easy fix or not, it wasn't addressed for an entire year and a half, on top of which...when they did create a solution, they decided to hold it until the next Expansion. If—Whenever there was some exploit that gave players a chance in hell of finishing a Nightfall or some f'ed up horrible advantage in Crucible, Bungie would learn about it same day or next, and would have it removed in varying times, but usually by next Tuesday. Deleting shaders one by one is by no means a reverse exploit(maybe of someone's time), but main point is: it was a problem--a problem that was brought to public light, and a problem the studio knew about. A problem not just moved to the back burner, it was taken off the stove and filled with water to soak.

C) The third and final reason that I'm angry is the actual reason I got angry and posted (albeit hastily) in the first place: the fact that they decide to add that statistic up and throw it in our faces.

"We gave you all these consumables with no method of management! We heard your pleas, specifically told you we'll do it when we feel like it, and decided to wait 'til the end of the summer to implement it with another marketing point; neither of which really have anything to do with each other. You guys deleted all these shaders one-by-one!"

This subtopic would not have even existed if they had not posted that particular statistic.

Taking the piss out of themselves? More like they're pissing on us.

1. Bungie only admitted it was an easy issue to solve if they were to solve it by removing the rewards you get when you dismantle shaders. I have played with several people who were very glad they could generate a large amount of extra glimmer or bright dust because they had some assets tied up in shaders. Sure, they didn't like that it took a few minutes of dismantling them one by one. But they were happy to get the emote or ship or shader or ornament they'd been after for a while. They would not have wanted Bungie to take the easy way out.

I do agree with you that people wouldn't want to lose their Bright Dust—especially since they had to empty their pockets to dust in order to get it, but that's another can o' worms—and coming up with a way to keep those rewards is indeed honorable for Bungie. Glimmer, however, is immaterial. There are plenty of ways to rake in tons of glitter through virtually every activity. Using Bright Dust as an argument only works for the stuff that applies to Eververse, and the events that followed it. That still leaves a large amount of shaders that can be deleted without consequence.

We might miss out on glimmer? I'm willing to bet that anyone would be perfectly happy with flat-out paying glimmer to delete a stack.

I would.

I mean if shaders are just the worst thing that brings a pain to your life that transcends the ability to have a knowing wink at it (but also does not bother you enough to stop playing the game) I feel bad for you, but man, its such a small part of this game that even as annoying as it is I can't get worked up about it. I'm sure I have spent way more time waiting for the game to launch than deleting shaders. Hell, I've spent more time waiting for people to join up into the fire team before a raid (A time when I have nothing better to do but delete shaders anyway). Or while you are in hyperspace loading screen.

I also agree with this—it is a small issue that doesn't deserve triggering over. For the past year, the two or three shaders I haven't used, I've just let pile up in my vault. But it's not so much the shaders as it is the omitting, ignoring and insulting that makes it a larger issue. It just doesn't make sense for them to do something like that.