Hypothetical - Guardian Trainer (Destiny)
The problem with this argument (and it's been a problem every time you've tried to make this argument, actually) is that you assume that your idea of 'fun' matches mine (or Bungie's, or ANYONE's). A system that provides multiple ways of getting from A to B means people who don't like method 1 as much can try method 2 - or maybe people who've done method 1 a dozen times are tired of method 1 and want to try something new. (Your depiction of an investment system as a critical piece that must be 'worked' before you can do the real 'meat' of the game is also a pretty shallow view; from what I saw in the Alpha, you've got that wrong, too. The investment system gives you a way of shortcutting the normal progression; they build a system that they think will make most people happy, but if you're, say, more impatient than the average bear, you can skip ahead by collecting Y and making weapons powerful enough to take on enemy Z before you've actually played enough to learn all the skills that might be useful against Z. There is no 'right' way - you might be happier with the shortcut, but I might be miserable if I haven't had the added practice against enemies you deem 'redundant'.
The investment system gives the entire ecosystem greater robustness, allowing a wider range of playstyles to coexist. The idea that there is an optimum level of 'fun' and that anything that doesn't contribute to that level is 'filler' is a kindergartner's view of the world. You're brighter than that.
Complete thread:
- Hypothetical - Guardian Trainer -
Cody Miller,
2014-06-23, 10:12
- Hypothetical - Guardian Trainer -
Zeouterlimits,
2014-06-23, 10:32
- Hypothetical - Guardian Trainer - Cody Miller, 2014-06-23, 10:37
- I can easily see it going like Borderlands 2 - ZackDark, 2014-06-23, 10:41
- Hypothetical - Guardian Trainer - INSANEdrive, 2014-06-23, 10:41
- Hypothetical - Guardian Trainer -
Ragashingo,
2014-06-23, 11:41
- Hypothetical - Guardian Trainer -
Cody Miller,
2014-06-23, 12:47
- Did a JRPG pore sugar in your gas tank? -
electricpirate,
2014-06-23, 13:05
- Did a JRPG pore sugar in your gas tank? -
Cody Miller,
2014-06-23, 13:09
- Did a JRPG pore sugar in your gas tank? - RC, 2014-06-23, 13:31
- Did a JRPG pore sugar in your gas tank? -
electricpirate,
2014-06-23, 13:34
- Did a JRPG pore sugar in your gas tank? -
SonofMacPhisto,
2014-06-25, 05:45
- Did a JRPG pore sugar in your gas tank? -
Malagate,
2014-06-25, 07:00
- Did a JRPG pour sugar in your gas tank? -
SonofMacPhisto,
2014-06-25, 09:45
- Did a JRPG pour sugar in your gas tank? -
Malagate,
2014-06-25, 10:25
- Did a JRPG pour sugar in your gas tank? -
Cody Miller,
2014-06-25, 10:31
- Did a JRPG pour sugar in your gas tank? -
SonofMacPhisto,
2014-06-25, 13:00
- Did a JRPG pour sugar in your gas tank? -
Cody Miller,
2014-06-25, 13:42
- Did a JRPG pour sugar in your gas tank? - SonofMacPhisto, 2014-06-25, 13:44
- Did a JRPG pour sugar in your gas tank? -
Cody Miller,
2014-06-25, 13:42
- Did a JRPG pour sugar in your gas tank? -
SonofMacPhisto,
2014-06-25, 13:00
- Did a JRPG pour sugar in your gas tank? - Kermit, 2014-06-25, 13:14
- Did a JRPG pour sugar in your gas tank? -
Cody Miller,
2014-06-25, 10:31
- Did a JRPG pour sugar in your gas tank? -
Malagate,
2014-06-25, 10:25
- Did a JRPG pore sugar in your gas tank? -
Cody Miller,
2014-06-25, 10:07
- Did a JRPG pore sugar in your gas tank? -
Malagate,
2014-06-25, 10:50
- Did a JRPG pore sugar in your gas tank? -
Cody Miller,
2014-06-25, 11:06
- Did a JRPG pore sugar in your gas tank? - Malagate, 2014-06-25, 11:23
- Did a JRPG pore sugar in your gas tank? -
Cody Miller,
2014-06-25, 11:06
- Did a JRPG pore sugar in your gas tank? -
Malagate,
2014-06-25, 10:50
- Did a JRPG pore sugar in your gas tank? - scarab, 2014-06-25, 11:14
- Did a JRPG pour sugar in your gas tank? -
SonofMacPhisto,
2014-06-25, 09:45
- Did a JRPG pore sugar in your gas tank? -
Malagate,
2014-06-25, 07:00
- Did a JRPG pore sugar in your gas tank? -
SonofMacPhisto,
2014-06-25, 05:45
- Let's not criticize how much he cares -
kidtsunami,
2014-06-24, 04:15
- less about passion, more about tunnel vision - electricpirate, 2014-06-24, 08:14
- Did a JRPG pore sugar in your gas tank? -
Cody Miller,
2014-06-23, 13:09
- Hypothetical - Guardian Trainer -
Claude Errera,
2014-06-23, 13:31
- Hypothetical - Guardian Trainer - Cody Miller, 2014-06-23, 14:31
- Proposal - What if... -
ZackDark,
2014-06-23, 14:05
- Proposal - What if... -
Cody Miller,
2014-06-23, 14:56
- Proposal - What if... -
ZackDark,
2014-06-23, 15:19
- Proposal - What if... -
Cody Miller,
2014-06-23, 15:21
- Damn it, Bungie! - ZackDark, 2014-06-23, 15:23
- More seriously, though, granularity -
ZackDark,
2014-06-23, 15:27
- More seriously, though, granularity - Cody Miller, 2014-06-25, 12:51
- Proposal - What if we stop calling it grinding? -
Ragashingo,
2014-06-23, 15:25
- Proposal - What if we stop calling it grinding? -
SonofMacPhisto,
2014-06-25, 10:20
- Proposal - What if we stop calling it grinding? -
Ragashingo,
2014-06-25, 10:55
- Proposal - What if we stop calling it grinding? - SonofMacPhisto, 2014-06-25, 13:23
- Proposal - What if we stop calling it grinding? -
Ragashingo,
2014-06-25, 10:55
- This is where I side with Cody - MrPadraig08, 2014-06-25, 10:55
- Proposal - What if we stop calling it grinding? - Blue_Blazer_NZ, 2014-06-25, 13:34
- Proposal - What if we stop calling it grinding? -
SonofMacPhisto,
2014-06-25, 10:20
- Proposal - What if... -
Cody Miller,
2014-06-23, 15:21
- Proposal - What if... -
ZackDark,
2014-06-23, 15:19
- Proposal - What if... -
Cody Miller,
2014-06-23, 14:56
- Hypothetical - Guardian Trainer -
Ragashingo,
2014-06-23, 15:08
- Hypothetical - Guardian Trainer -
Cody Miller,
2014-06-23, 15:20
- Hypothetical - Guardian Trainer - Ragashingo, 2014-06-23, 15:47
- Hypothetical - Guardian Trainer - Zeouterlimits, 2014-06-24, 03:09
- Hypothetical - Guardian Trainer -
kidtsunami,
2014-06-24, 02:01
- Hypothetical - Guardian Trainer - kidtsunami, 2014-06-24, 02:19
- Hypothetical - Guardian Trainer -
Cody Miller,
2014-06-23, 15:20
- Hypothetical - Guardian Trainer -
Malagate,
2014-06-25, 07:18
- Hypothetical - Guardian Trainer - kidtsunami, 2014-06-25, 14:53
- Did a JRPG pore sugar in your gas tank? -
electricpirate,
2014-06-23, 13:05
- Hypothetical - Guardian Trainer -
Cody Miller,
2014-06-23, 12:47
- Hypothetical - Guardian Trainer -
stabbim,
2014-06-23, 11:42
- Hypothetical - Guardian Trainer -
Durandal,
2014-06-24, 14:26
- Compromise -
Cody Miller,
2014-06-24, 15:55
- I like this very much. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2014-06-25, 10:16
- How to fix scout missions -
Cody Miller,
2014-06-25, 10:28
- This - ZackDark, 2014-06-25, 11:14
- How to fix scout missions - SonofMacPhisto, 2014-06-25, 13:41
- How to fix scout missions -
Cody Miller,
2014-06-25, 10:28
- Compromise - HuskerAlpha, 2014-06-25, 11:27
- Compromise -
stabbim,
2014-06-25, 15:33
- Compromise - SonofMacPhisto, 2014-06-26, 08:06
- I like this very much. -
SonofMacPhisto,
2014-06-25, 10:16
- Compromise -
Cody Miller,
2014-06-24, 15:55
- Hypothetical - Guardian Trainer -
Durandal,
2014-06-24, 14:26
- SchoolyD, TSD Clan, and Ahnold handle my Guardian Training -
Pyromancy,
2014-06-24, 21:50
- ;) - Yapok, 2014-06-25, 05:06
- Hypothetical - Guardian Trainer -
Zeouterlimits,
2014-06-23, 10:32