
Up to the line, not over it (yet) (Destiny)
Well said. There's a bit of "profit motive = pure evil" to these discussions. As if a profit motive taints all over motives, as if the business of making games weren't a business, and as if we can't decide at any point that the benefit to us, the gamers, is not worth the money we spend. Bungie has a motivation to keep us from making that decision.
Not necessarily. They have a motivation to hit a point on a revenue curve. If the amount of revenue they make from the portion of players that approves of microtransactions (or, at least, is unable to resist from indulging in them) is more than the amount they lose from those who stop purchasing the titles because of a perceived overemphasis on microtransactions, then they have an incentive to keep moving in this direction.
It is bad enough that the amount of development time needed to create cosmetic items for cash purchase is already so much lower than that needed to create real content, that there is an incentive for creating cosmetic items and against creating actual content.
Because of the token light levels and the new infusion mechanic, I don't think this is a toe over the line, but it is right up to the line with no more wiggle room left. I'm just a bit surprised that either Bungie feels so driven that their imaginations need to be put to work into financial "innovations" such as this, or that they are so desperate for cash that this is absolutely necessary to keep the lights on. I'm not sure which is worse.
Complete thread:
- Toe over the P2W line -
electricpirate,
2016-03-30, 17:37
- Toe over the P2W line -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-03-30, 17:43
- They require infusion. - Leviathan, 2016-03-30, 17:45
- Toe over the P2W line -
electricpirate,
2016-03-30, 19:53
- Toe over the P2W line - Xenos, 2016-03-30, 19:56
- Nope -
Speedracer513,
2016-03-30, 17:45
- Nope -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-30, 19:25
- Nope -
Xenos,
2016-03-30, 19:42
- Nope -
marmot 1333,
2016-03-30, 20:28
- I guess a slippery ladder is a thing?
- Ragashingo, 2016-03-30, 20:30
- Of course it is - ZackDark, 2016-03-30, 20:33
- I guess a slippery ladder is a thing?
- Nope -
marmot 1333,
2016-03-30, 20:28
- Nope -
Vortech,
2016-04-08, 20:16
- Nope - Cody Miller, 2016-04-08, 20:34
- Nope -
Xenos,
2016-03-30, 19:42
- Nope -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-30, 19:25
- No, for a few reasons. - Korny, 2016-03-30, 17:46
- Toe over the P2W line -
General Vagueness,
2016-03-30, 19:54
- Toe over the P2W line -
electricpirate,
2016-03-30, 20:03
- Toe over the P2W line - General Vagueness, 2016-04-01, 15:39
- Toe over the P2W line -
electricpirate,
2016-03-30, 20:03
- Consider the following. -
CyberKN,
2016-03-30, 20:08
- Consider the following. -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-30, 20:15
- *shots fired* -
ZackDark,
2016-03-30, 20:21
- *shots fired* -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-30, 21:22
- I love when people rail on balancing - MacAddictXIV, 2016-03-31, 12:00
- *shots fired* -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-30, 21:22
- *shots fired* -
ZackDark,
2016-03-30, 20:21
- I don't disagree... - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-03-30, 20:28
- Consider the following. -
Ragashingo,
2016-03-30, 20:43
- Consider the following. -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-30, 21:14
- Consider the following. - Avateur, 2016-03-31, 00:10
- Consider the following. -
Kermit,
2016-03-30, 21:21
- Consider the following. - Cody Miller, 2016-03-30, 21:23
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
narcogen,
2016-03-30, 22:47
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
cheapLEY,
2016-03-30, 23:22
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
Avateur,
2016-03-31, 00:22
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
cheapLEY,
2016-03-31, 00:48
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
Kermit,
2016-03-31, 12:49
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) - cheapLEY, 2016-03-31, 15:23
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
Xenos,
2016-03-31, 13:17
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) - MacAddictXIV, 2016-03-31, 13:31
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) - cheapLEY, 2016-03-31, 15:19
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
Avateur,
2016-03-31, 23:10
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) - Xenos, 2016-03-31, 23:14
- They need to explain responsibilities for Bungie teams -
Vortech,
2016-04-08, 20:26
- They need to explain responsibilities for Bungie teams - Xenos, 2016-04-08, 21:10
- I demand an org chart -
narcogen,
2016-04-08, 22:58
- Would a scrapbook suffice?
- Pyromancy, 2016-04-09, 17:09
- Would a scrapbook suffice?
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
Kermit,
2016-03-31, 12:49
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
cheapLEY,
2016-03-31, 00:48
- Sort of what I meant by that. -
narcogen,
2016-03-31, 23:00
- Sort of what I meant by that. - cheapLEY, 2016-03-31, 23:26
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
Avateur,
2016-03-31, 00:22
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
cheapLEY,
2016-03-30, 23:22
- Consider the following. -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-30, 21:14
- Forced to agree. -
narcogen,
2016-03-30, 22:40
- This is confusing... -
Leviathan,
2016-03-30, 23:03
- Yes, mostly... - slycrel, 2016-03-30, 23:16
- This is confusing... -
Leviathan,
2016-03-30, 23:03
- I would agree... -
Korny,
2016-03-30, 22:52
- Missing the point? Or ignoring it? -
someotherguy,
2016-04-10, 00:17
- p2w is the subject of this thread...
- Robot Chickens, 2016-04-10, 00:30
- But not the post being replied to -
someotherguy,
2016-04-10, 00:36
- But not the post being replied to -
Robot Chickens,
2016-04-10, 05:15
- But not the post being replied to - someotherguy, 2016-04-11, 13:37
- But not the post being replied to -
Robot Chickens,
2016-04-10, 05:15
- But not the post being replied to -
someotherguy,
2016-04-10, 00:36
- p2w is the subject of this thread...
- Missing the point? Or ignoring it? -
someotherguy,
2016-04-10, 00:17
- Consider the following. -
slycrel,
2016-03-30, 23:14
- Consider the following. -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-03-31, 12:46
- Consider the following. -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 15:06
- Consider the following. -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-03-31, 16:17
- Consider the following. -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 16:43
- Consider the following. -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-03-31, 17:17
- Consider the following. -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 17:26
- Consider the following. - MacAddictXIV, 2016-03-31, 17:46
- Are you sure?? -
Speedracer513,
2016-03-31, 19:27
- Are you sure?? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 19:49
- Are you sure?? - Cody Miller, 2016-03-31, 20:23
- Are you sure?? - Kermit, 2016-03-31, 20:40
- Are you sure?? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 19:49
- Consider the following. -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 17:26
- Consider the following. -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-03-31, 17:17
- Consider the following. -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 16:43
- Consider the following. -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-03-31, 16:17
- Consider the following. -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 15:06
- Consider the following. -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-03-31, 12:46
- Consider the following. -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-30, 20:15
- Weapons aren't in the sterling boxes, just armor
- petetheduck, 2016-03-30, 22:45
- As one of the most anti-microtransaction people around here -
Avateur,
2016-03-31, 00:05
- As one of the most anti-microtransaction people around here - stabbim, 2016-04-01, 18:55
- I actually thing this is a step away from the line -
Xenos,
2016-03-31, 13:14
- +1
- MacAddictXIV, 2016-03-31, 13:17
- +1
- Something to consider about this "P2W" issue -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-02, 13:17
- Something to consider about this "P2W" issue -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-02, 13:37
- Something to consider about this "P2W" issue - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-04-02, 14:11
- Found it! - Avateur, 2016-04-04, 23:22
- Also just for the record -
Xenos,
2016-04-02, 13:48
- Posting with linked sources. YOU THA MAN.
- Ragashingo, 2016-04-02, 13:59
- And to add to that... -
Korny,
2016-04-02, 14:15
- And to add to that... - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-04-02, 14:19
- Also just for the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-02, 14:16
- Also just for the record -
Xenos,
2016-04-02, 14:24
- :) - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-04-02, 14:26
- Also just for the record -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-02, 15:04
- Also just for the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-02, 15:59
- Also just for the record -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-02, 17:08
- Also just for the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-02, 18:21
- Also just for the record -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-02, 18:37
- Also just for the record - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-04-02, 18:42
- Also just for the record - Xenos, 2016-04-02, 22:58
- Also just for the record -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-02, 18:37
- Also just for the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-02, 18:21
- Death by a thousand tiny cuts - Cody Miller, 2016-04-02, 23:46
- Also just for the record -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-02, 17:08
- Also just for the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-02, 15:59
- Also just for the record -
Xenos,
2016-04-02, 14:24
- Posting with linked sources. YOU THA MAN.
- Something to consider about this "P2W" issue -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-02, 13:37
- Toe over the P2W line -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-03-30, 17:43