
Also just for the record (Destiny)
The big deal for me is how this conversation comes pre tainted. You didn't do it, but when others practically open the discussion by suggesting that we can no longer trust Bungie to make the game fun... yeah a little proactive defense seems appropriate.
In the end, you got the The Devil You Know you wanted or whatever. So what? These guns are mostly just familiar names. Unless something is very screwy, they will not give anyone an advantage.
I almost completely agree. A lot of this stuff gets blown out of proportion. But this stuff does bother me on a conceptual level. I'm starting to feel like Bungie and/or Activision are playing a game of Chicken with the player base. Like they're staring us in the eye while they inch closer and closer to something they know we don't like, and they're just waiting to see if we blow up in a way that tells them they've gone too far.
For the record, when I say "Bungie is doing X", I know full well that there are hundreds of incredibly hard working people who are focused on nothing more than making the best game they can make. But there are forces at play here (marketing forces, for the most part) that feel to me like they're trying to see how much they can get away with.
I also just cringe at the idea that there's going to be some lunatic who spends $500 on packages as soon as the update hits, and streams the whole thing. It's not representative of what the real experience will be like for the vast majority of players, but it becomes "the thing people will talk about". On the one hand, that doesn't really matter, but on the other it sucks to see cool new stuff get eclipsed my such nonsense in terms of what gets the most public attention. Jeff Gertsman once described Destiny's problems as "death by 1000 tiny cuts", and I think issues like this are exactly the kind of thing he was talking about: insignificant on its own, but it continues to build the perception that Bungie and Activision are gauging the player bass. I don't feel that way myself, but I have a lot of friends who still feel like they were "ripped off" by year 1, and every little move like this drives them further away from ever wanting to come back.
Complete thread:
- Toe over the P2W line -
electricpirate,
2016-03-30, 17:37
- Toe over the P2W line -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-03-30, 17:43
- They require infusion. - Leviathan, 2016-03-30, 17:45
- Toe over the P2W line -
electricpirate,
2016-03-30, 19:53
- Toe over the P2W line - Xenos, 2016-03-30, 19:56
- Nope -
Speedracer513,
2016-03-30, 17:45
- Nope -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-30, 19:25
- Nope -
Xenos,
2016-03-30, 19:42
- Nope -
marmot 1333,
2016-03-30, 20:28
- I guess a slippery ladder is a thing?
- Ragashingo, 2016-03-30, 20:30
- Of course it is - ZackDark, 2016-03-30, 20:33
- I guess a slippery ladder is a thing?
- Nope -
marmot 1333,
2016-03-30, 20:28
- Nope -
Vortech,
2016-04-08, 20:16
- Nope - Cody Miller, 2016-04-08, 20:34
- Nope -
Xenos,
2016-03-30, 19:42
- Nope -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-30, 19:25
- No, for a few reasons. - Korny, 2016-03-30, 17:46
- Toe over the P2W line -
General Vagueness,
2016-03-30, 19:54
- Toe over the P2W line -
electricpirate,
2016-03-30, 20:03
- Toe over the P2W line - General Vagueness, 2016-04-01, 15:39
- Toe over the P2W line -
electricpirate,
2016-03-30, 20:03
- Consider the following. -
CyberKN,
2016-03-30, 20:08
- Consider the following. -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-30, 20:15
- *shots fired* -
ZackDark,
2016-03-30, 20:21
- *shots fired* -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-30, 21:22
- I love when people rail on balancing - MacAddictXIV, 2016-03-31, 12:00
- *shots fired* -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-30, 21:22
- *shots fired* -
ZackDark,
2016-03-30, 20:21
- I don't disagree... - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-03-30, 20:28
- Consider the following. -
Ragashingo,
2016-03-30, 20:43
- Consider the following. -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-30, 21:14
- Consider the following. - Avateur, 2016-03-31, 00:10
- Consider the following. -
Kermit,
2016-03-30, 21:21
- Consider the following. - Cody Miller, 2016-03-30, 21:23
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
narcogen,
2016-03-30, 22:47
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
cheapLEY,
2016-03-30, 23:22
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
Avateur,
2016-03-31, 00:22
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
cheapLEY,
2016-03-31, 00:48
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
Kermit,
2016-03-31, 12:49
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) - cheapLEY, 2016-03-31, 15:23
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
Xenos,
2016-03-31, 13:17
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) - MacAddictXIV, 2016-03-31, 13:31
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) - cheapLEY, 2016-03-31, 15:19
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
Avateur,
2016-03-31, 23:10
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) - Xenos, 2016-03-31, 23:14
- They need to explain responsibilities for Bungie teams -
Vortech,
2016-04-08, 20:26
- They need to explain responsibilities for Bungie teams - Xenos, 2016-04-08, 21:10
- I demand an org chart -
narcogen,
2016-04-08, 22:58
- Would a scrapbook suffice?
- Pyromancy, 2016-04-09, 17:09
- Would a scrapbook suffice?
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
Kermit,
2016-03-31, 12:49
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
cheapLEY,
2016-03-31, 00:48
- Sort of what I meant by that. -
narcogen,
2016-03-31, 23:00
- Sort of what I meant by that. - cheapLEY, 2016-03-31, 23:26
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
Avateur,
2016-03-31, 00:22
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
cheapLEY,
2016-03-30, 23:22
- Consider the following. -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-30, 21:14
- Forced to agree. -
narcogen,
2016-03-30, 22:40
- This is confusing... -
Leviathan,
2016-03-30, 23:03
- Yes, mostly... - slycrel, 2016-03-30, 23:16
- This is confusing... -
Leviathan,
2016-03-30, 23:03
- I would agree... -
Korny,
2016-03-30, 22:52
- Missing the point? Or ignoring it? -
someotherguy,
2016-04-10, 00:17
- p2w is the subject of this thread...
- Robot Chickens, 2016-04-10, 00:30
- But not the post being replied to -
someotherguy,
2016-04-10, 00:36
- But not the post being replied to -
Robot Chickens,
2016-04-10, 05:15
- But not the post being replied to - someotherguy, 2016-04-11, 13:37
- But not the post being replied to -
Robot Chickens,
2016-04-10, 05:15
- But not the post being replied to -
someotherguy,
2016-04-10, 00:36
- p2w is the subject of this thread...
- Missing the point? Or ignoring it? -
someotherguy,
2016-04-10, 00:17
- Consider the following. -
slycrel,
2016-03-30, 23:14
- Consider the following. -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-03-31, 12:46
- Consider the following. -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 15:06
- Consider the following. -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-03-31, 16:17
- Consider the following. -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 16:43
- Consider the following. -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-03-31, 17:17
- Consider the following. -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 17:26
- Consider the following. - MacAddictXIV, 2016-03-31, 17:46
- Are you sure?? -
Speedracer513,
2016-03-31, 19:27
- Are you sure?? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 19:49
- Are you sure?? - Cody Miller, 2016-03-31, 20:23
- Are you sure?? - Kermit, 2016-03-31, 20:40
- Are you sure?? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 19:49
- Consider the following. -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 17:26
- Consider the following. -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-03-31, 17:17
- Consider the following. -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 16:43
- Consider the following. -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-03-31, 16:17
- Consider the following. -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 15:06
- Consider the following. -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-03-31, 12:46
- Consider the following. -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-30, 20:15
- Weapons aren't in the sterling boxes, just armor
- petetheduck, 2016-03-30, 22:45
- As one of the most anti-microtransaction people around here -
Avateur,
2016-03-31, 00:05
- As one of the most anti-microtransaction people around here - stabbim, 2016-04-01, 18:55
- I actually thing this is a step away from the line -
Xenos,
2016-03-31, 13:14
- +1
- MacAddictXIV, 2016-03-31, 13:17
- +1
- Something to consider about this "P2W" issue -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-02, 13:17
- Something to consider about this "P2W" issue -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-02, 13:37
- Something to consider about this "P2W" issue - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-04-02, 14:11
- Found it! - Avateur, 2016-04-04, 23:22
- Also just for the record -
Xenos,
2016-04-02, 13:48
- Posting with linked sources. YOU THA MAN.
- Ragashingo, 2016-04-02, 13:59
- And to add to that... -
Korny,
2016-04-02, 14:15
- And to add to that... - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-04-02, 14:19
- Also just for the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-02, 14:16
- Also just for the record -
Xenos,
2016-04-02, 14:24
- :) - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-04-02, 14:26
- Also just for the record -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-02, 15:04
- Also just for the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-02, 15:59
- Also just for the record -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-02, 17:08
- Also just for the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-02, 18:21
- Also just for the record -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-02, 18:37
- Also just for the record - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-04-02, 18:42
- Also just for the record - Xenos, 2016-04-02, 22:58
- Also just for the record -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-02, 18:37
- Also just for the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-02, 18:21
- Death by a thousand tiny cuts - Cody Miller, 2016-04-02, 23:46
- Also just for the record -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-02, 17:08
- Also just for the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-02, 15:59
- Also just for the record -
Xenos,
2016-04-02, 14:24
- Posting with linked sources. YOU THA MAN.
- Something to consider about this "P2W" issue -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-02, 13:37
- Toe over the P2W line -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-03-30, 17:43