
Consider the following. (Destiny)
This also puts them in a place where they are both trying to be "fair" to everyone as well as making money. At some point I suspect that "making money" will win out. We're already farther along than I thought -- buying things to speed up your class experience, buying up to lvl 25. Now it's buying armor, which, with light lvl 3 and the new light system, it is essentially the same as selling it at light lvl 280 like the vendors do. Lvl 3 is just marketing -- it's almost immediately equal to your greatest light level piece of that type.
Which I fully support, by the way, I just don't love it in the form of purchase-ables. They're walking right along the line on this one.
If they weren't handing out these packages other than via eververse, people would be pissed. The way they've done it now, they do the CYA thing. And they can encourage purchases with RNG-based silver packages. Even the purchased drops are RNG, which has a dirty feel to it -- it's essentially gambling.
Also, If they had a "bug" where the drops didn't work right, who is to say that they didn't rig the system to get more money? That's where it gets sticky for me -- they are working the addiction/gambling angle. It's not enough to have your mindshare and time, now they also have to have (more) money along the way.
I'm not going to quit over this or anything, but it doesn't mean I think it's a great idea either. It creates more of the "I need to play to get to X" and keeps people playing... but it's at the expense of real enjoyable gameplay. Because the gameplay is fundamentally altered -- it's about time gating and artificial scarcity rather than real achievement.
I think that's why I like trials so much. The challenge, and success, is the reward. As opposed to the drops at the end. The drops are gravy, as opposed to the end goal, which is the challenge/competition.
Complete thread:
- Toe over the P2W line -
electricpirate,
2016-03-30, 17:37
- Toe over the P2W line -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-03-30, 17:43
- They require infusion. - Leviathan, 2016-03-30, 17:45
- Toe over the P2W line -
electricpirate,
2016-03-30, 19:53
- Toe over the P2W line - Xenos, 2016-03-30, 19:56
- Nope -
Speedracer513,
2016-03-30, 17:45
- Nope -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-30, 19:25
- Nope -
Xenos,
2016-03-30, 19:42
- Nope -
marmot 1333,
2016-03-30, 20:28
- I guess a slippery ladder is a thing?
- Ragashingo, 2016-03-30, 20:30
- Of course it is - ZackDark, 2016-03-30, 20:33
- I guess a slippery ladder is a thing?
- Nope -
marmot 1333,
2016-03-30, 20:28
- Nope -
Vortech,
2016-04-08, 20:16
- Nope - Cody Miller, 2016-04-08, 20:34
- Nope -
Xenos,
2016-03-30, 19:42
- Nope -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-30, 19:25
- No, for a few reasons. - Korny, 2016-03-30, 17:46
- Toe over the P2W line -
General Vagueness,
2016-03-30, 19:54
- Toe over the P2W line -
electricpirate,
2016-03-30, 20:03
- Toe over the P2W line - General Vagueness, 2016-04-01, 15:39
- Toe over the P2W line -
electricpirate,
2016-03-30, 20:03
- Consider the following. -
CyberKN,
2016-03-30, 20:08
- Consider the following. -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-30, 20:15
- *shots fired* -
ZackDark,
2016-03-30, 20:21
- *shots fired* -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-30, 21:22
- I love when people rail on balancing - MacAddictXIV, 2016-03-31, 12:00
- *shots fired* -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-30, 21:22
- *shots fired* -
ZackDark,
2016-03-30, 20:21
- I don't disagree... - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-03-30, 20:28
- Consider the following. -
Ragashingo,
2016-03-30, 20:43
- Consider the following. -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-30, 21:14
- Consider the following. - Avateur, 2016-03-31, 00:10
- Consider the following. -
Kermit,
2016-03-30, 21:21
- Consider the following. - Cody Miller, 2016-03-30, 21:23
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
narcogen,
2016-03-30, 22:47
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
cheapLEY,
2016-03-30, 23:22
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
Avateur,
2016-03-31, 00:22
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
cheapLEY,
2016-03-31, 00:48
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
Kermit,
2016-03-31, 12:49
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) - cheapLEY, 2016-03-31, 15:23
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
Xenos,
2016-03-31, 13:17
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) - MacAddictXIV, 2016-03-31, 13:31
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) - cheapLEY, 2016-03-31, 15:19
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
Avateur,
2016-03-31, 23:10
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) - Xenos, 2016-03-31, 23:14
- They need to explain responsibilities for Bungie teams -
Vortech,
2016-04-08, 20:26
- They need to explain responsibilities for Bungie teams - Xenos, 2016-04-08, 21:10
- I demand an org chart -
narcogen,
2016-04-08, 22:58
- Would a scrapbook suffice?
- Pyromancy, 2016-04-09, 17:09
- Would a scrapbook suffice?
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
Kermit,
2016-03-31, 12:49
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
cheapLEY,
2016-03-31, 00:48
- Sort of what I meant by that. -
narcogen,
2016-03-31, 23:00
- Sort of what I meant by that. - cheapLEY, 2016-03-31, 23:26
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
Avateur,
2016-03-31, 00:22
- Up to the line, not over it (yet) -
cheapLEY,
2016-03-30, 23:22
- Consider the following. -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-30, 21:14
- Forced to agree. -
narcogen,
2016-03-30, 22:40
- This is confusing... -
Leviathan,
2016-03-30, 23:03
- Yes, mostly... - slycrel, 2016-03-30, 23:16
- This is confusing... -
Leviathan,
2016-03-30, 23:03
- I would agree... -
Korny,
2016-03-30, 22:52
- Missing the point? Or ignoring it? -
someotherguy,
2016-04-10, 00:17
- p2w is the subject of this thread...
- Robot Chickens, 2016-04-10, 00:30
- But not the post being replied to -
someotherguy,
2016-04-10, 00:36
- But not the post being replied to -
Robot Chickens,
2016-04-10, 05:15
- But not the post being replied to - someotherguy, 2016-04-11, 13:37
- But not the post being replied to -
Robot Chickens,
2016-04-10, 05:15
- But not the post being replied to -
someotherguy,
2016-04-10, 00:36
- p2w is the subject of this thread...
- Missing the point? Or ignoring it? -
someotherguy,
2016-04-10, 00:17
- Consider the following. -
slycrel,
2016-03-30, 23:14
- Consider the following. -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-03-31, 12:46
- Consider the following. -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 15:06
- Consider the following. -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-03-31, 16:17
- Consider the following. -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 16:43
- Consider the following. -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-03-31, 17:17
- Consider the following. -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 17:26
- Consider the following. - MacAddictXIV, 2016-03-31, 17:46
- Are you sure?? -
Speedracer513,
2016-03-31, 19:27
- Are you sure?? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 19:49
- Are you sure?? - Cody Miller, 2016-03-31, 20:23
- Are you sure?? - Kermit, 2016-03-31, 20:40
- Are you sure?? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 19:49
- Consider the following. -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 17:26
- Consider the following. -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-03-31, 17:17
- Consider the following. -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 16:43
- Consider the following. -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-03-31, 16:17
- Consider the following. -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 15:06
- Consider the following. -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-03-31, 12:46
- Consider the following. -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-30, 20:15
- Weapons aren't in the sterling boxes, just armor
- petetheduck, 2016-03-30, 22:45
- As one of the most anti-microtransaction people around here -
Avateur,
2016-03-31, 00:05
- As one of the most anti-microtransaction people around here - stabbim, 2016-04-01, 18:55
- I actually thing this is a step away from the line -
Xenos,
2016-03-31, 13:14
- +1
- MacAddictXIV, 2016-03-31, 13:17
- +1
- Something to consider about this "P2W" issue -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-02, 13:17
- Something to consider about this "P2W" issue -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-02, 13:37
- Something to consider about this "P2W" issue - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-04-02, 14:11
- Found it! - Avateur, 2016-04-04, 23:22
- Also just for the record -
Xenos,
2016-04-02, 13:48
- Posting with linked sources. YOU THA MAN.
- Ragashingo, 2016-04-02, 13:59
- And to add to that... -
Korny,
2016-04-02, 14:15
- And to add to that... - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-04-02, 14:19
- Also just for the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-02, 14:16
- Also just for the record -
Xenos,
2016-04-02, 14:24
- :) - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-04-02, 14:26
- Also just for the record -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-02, 15:04
- Also just for the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-02, 15:59
- Also just for the record -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-02, 17:08
- Also just for the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-02, 18:21
- Also just for the record -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-02, 18:37
- Also just for the record - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-04-02, 18:42
- Also just for the record - Xenos, 2016-04-02, 22:58
- Also just for the record -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-02, 18:37
- Also just for the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-02, 18:21
- Death by a thousand tiny cuts - Cody Miller, 2016-04-02, 23:46
- Also just for the record -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-02, 17:08
- Also just for the record -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-02, 15:59
- Also just for the record -
Xenos,
2016-04-02, 14:24
- Posting with linked sources. YOU THA MAN.
- Something to consider about this "P2W" issue -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-02, 13:37
- Toe over the P2W line -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-03-30, 17:43