
Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers (Destiny)
"But if people could easily get the gear they want, they'd stop playing" is the common response to this issue. Nonsense. Did picking up a BR in Halo make any of us say "well I've used that now, guess I don't need to play anymore". I've said this many times before: having a gun isn't fun, using it is. If we didn't need to replay certain activities countless times just to get the gear we want to use, then we wouldn't be so burned out on them and we'd have more space to actually use these fun tools and toys doing things we're still excited to do for the fun of it.
It would be even more fun to use guns if they were not acquired by RNG, because the scenario design could be such that, knowing players will have such and such a gun, you would have to really master or even abuse the mechanics of the gun to succeed.
Take a game like Megaman X. There are tons of secret areas that are only accessible by mastering the usage of special weapons. Many have secondary functions. For instance, in x4 you get a spider web that hangs in the air and can block bullets. But you can also wall jump off of it. So, there is one secret where you have to shoot webs and place them such that you can climb walls of spikes to get to the end.
Through the game, you will always get that weapon. So you can design cool things that push design to the limits and really make people utilize their tools in creative ways.
I think the same could be done for both guns and abilities in Destiny. And it would be even cooler, because you are not just USING the guns and abilities, but you are pushing them to the absolute limit! And that is a great feeling, not just of using a tool, but of creatively exploiting it. This is also why perks that simply increase damage / range / etc are boring. They don't give you a new tool to play with.
Complete thread:
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 14:52
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 15:06
- That would require a fundamentally different type of game.
- Funkmon, 2016-03-31, 15:22
- Finally got back out of jail eh?
- Blackt1g3r, 2016-03-31, 17:33
- heh heh heh :)
- CruelLEGACEY, 2016-03-31, 17:53
- Does Cody even know? - Blackt1g3r, 2016-03-31, 18:44
- heh heh heh :)
- That would require a fundamentally different type of game.
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Funkmon,
2016-03-31, 15:20
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 15:23
- They're just different types of games. - Funkmon, 2016-03-31, 15:34
- Thanks! Follow up questions: -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 15:31
- Thanks! Follow up questions: -
Funkmon,
2016-03-31, 15:42
- Thanks! Follow up questions: -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 15:54
- It's needed to unify vanguard and crucible.
- Funkmon, 2016-03-31, 15:58
- how so? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 16:04
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
Funkmon,
2016-03-31, 16:07
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 16:52
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 16:54
- Keeping the ratings separate. - Cody Miller, 2016-03-31, 17:03
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
Funkmon,
2016-03-31, 17:53
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 17:58
- Are you proposing no meaningful increase in damage of guns? -
Funkmon,
2016-03-31, 18:20
- potentially... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 18:40
- There are problems with that. - Funkmon, 2016-04-01, 02:06
- potentially... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 18:40
- Are you proposing no meaningful increase in damage of guns? -
Funkmon,
2016-03-31, 18:20
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 17:58
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 16:54
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 16:52
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
Funkmon,
2016-03-31, 16:07
- how so? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 16:04
- It's needed to unify vanguard and crucible.
- Thanks! Follow up questions: -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 15:54
- Thanks! Follow up questions: -
Funkmon,
2016-03-31, 15:42
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 15:23
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
BeardFade,
2016-03-31, 16:23
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
unoudid,
2016-03-31, 17:19
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
Kermit,
2016-03-31, 17:50
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor - Blackt1g3r, 2016-03-31, 18:23
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
unoudid,
2016-03-31, 18:38
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor - Kermit, 2016-03-31, 19:59
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
BeardFade,
2016-03-31, 19:51
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
Kermit,
2016-03-31, 20:11
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor - stabbim, 2016-04-01, 19:27
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
Kermit,
2016-03-31, 20:11
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
Kermit,
2016-03-31, 17:50
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
unoudid,
2016-03-31, 17:19
- I still think . . . - cheapLEY, 2016-03-31, 16:27
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
squidnh3,
2016-03-31, 16:36
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 16:41
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - Kermit, 2016-03-31, 17:39
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - marmot 1333, 2016-04-01, 16:07
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 17:01
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - stabbim, 2016-04-01, 19:33
- THIS THIS THIS 1000x this -
Claude Errera,
2016-03-31, 21:25
- +1, This is very important.
- slycrel, 2016-03-31, 21:53
- THIS THIS THIS 1000x this - narcogen, 2016-03-31, 22:55
- Question about this point -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 23:14
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-01, 02:48
- Question about this point -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-01, 04:22
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-01, 15:56
- Question about this point -
marmot 1333,
2016-04-01, 16:23
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-01, 17:21
- Did he punch you?
- Funkmon, 2016-04-01, 20:52
- Don't remember. :(
- Claude Errera, 2016-04-01, 21:22
- Don't remember. :(
- Did he punch you?
- Question about this point -
Kermit,
2016-04-04, 16:02
- Question about this point -
Korny,
2016-04-04, 16:06
- Question about this point -
Kermit,
2016-04-04, 16:15
- Question about this point -
marmot 1333,
2016-04-04, 16:23
- Question about this point - Funkmon, 2016-04-04, 16:30
- Question about this point -
Kermit,
2016-04-04, 16:35
- Question about this point -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-04, 17:18
- Question about this point - Kermit, 2016-04-04, 17:31
- Question about this point - marmot 1333, 2016-04-04, 17:44
- Question about this point -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-04, 17:18
- Question about this point -
Korny,
2016-04-04, 17:28
- Question about this point - marmot 1333, 2016-04-04, 17:48
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-04, 18:39
- Question about this point -
Kermit,
2016-04-04, 19:08
- Question about this point -
stabbim,
2016-04-04, 19:21
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-04, 19:51
- Question about this point - Kermit, 2016-04-04, 19:56
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-04, 19:51
- Question about this point -
stabbim,
2016-04-04, 19:21
- Question about this point -
Kermit,
2016-04-04, 19:08
- Question about this point -
marmot 1333,
2016-04-04, 16:23
- Question about this point -
Kermit,
2016-04-04, 16:15
- Question about this point -
Korny,
2016-04-04, 16:06
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-01, 17:21
- Question about this point -
marmot 1333,
2016-04-01, 16:23
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-01, 15:56
- Question about this point -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-01, 04:22
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-01, 02:48
- +1, This is very important.
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 16:41
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 16:37
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 16:44
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 16:47
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 16:49
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 16:56
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-03-31, 17:05
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 17:09
- "... in my opinion" ;) - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-03-31, 18:04
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - stabbim, 2016-04-01, 20:47
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 16:56
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 16:49
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 16:47
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 16:44
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Kahzgul,
2016-03-31, 16:51
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 17:17
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Kahzgul,
2016-03-31, 23:29
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - Cody Miller, 2016-04-01, 02:34
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Kahzgul,
2016-03-31, 23:29
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 17:17
- Two simple complaints for me. -
ProbablyLast,
2016-03-31, 17:26
- Ayyuuuup.
- Funkmon, 2016-04-01, 02:36
- Ayyuuuup.
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - Leviathan, 2016-03-31, 17:55
- No, no, no, wait, why do I play this game again? - Durandal, 2016-03-31, 18:02
- As someone who has had to level over a dozen(!) Guardians... -
Korny,
2016-03-31, 19:24
- As someone who has had to level over a dozen(!) Guardians... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 19:40
- I'll take another crack at it, then... - Korny, 2016-03-31, 19:50
- As someone who has had to level over a dozen(!) Guardians... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 19:40
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
narcogen,
2016-03-31, 22:47
- Great point. Thanks for that :)
- CruelLEGACEY, 2016-04-01, 13:50
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - Cody Miller, 2016-04-01, 14:07
- Great point. Thanks for that :)
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-01, 02:18
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-04-04, 15:32
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 15:06