
I'll take another crack at it, then... (Destiny)
Just wanted to say that I love a lot of what you are saying, but I think you may have missed a bit of my point (or I didn't communicate it clearly enough).
Everything you are saying about the journey, about facing enemies greater than you are, about going into the crucible against better equipped players and defeating them anyway... I agree that all of that stuff is awesome. But I don't think any of it is dependent on a "leveling up" system. IMO, everything you described could be done without dealing with 1-40 ranks or the light level system. Our guardians could still grow in power, unlocking new abilities as we play. We could still gain health through better armor and do more damage through better weapons.
So I agree that everything you described is a positive, but I don't think any of those positives are due to the leveling system :)
"do I enjoy leveling up in Destiny?"
Yes, because from 1-39, the gear that you get, combined with RNG, is often less than ideal, so you have to depend on teamwork, communication, and skill more than when you've got a fully leveled character with the top-tier loot in the game. Do I enjoy improving the Light level of each individual piece of gear? No. It's just a way to increase the grind in the game, but thankfully you don't have to be above 300 for 90% of the game, and you don't have to be above 311 for the hardest challenge in the game.
"what does the rank and light level system really add to Destiny?"
Rank adds challenge, Light Level doesn't add anything worthwhile outside of slowing the pace at which people max out, and it causes a huge chunk of the Sandbox to become less and less useful, forcing players to grind for a few specific pieces of gear.. I dun like it.
"In what ways is Destiny better thanks to RNG?"
Gives more causal folks a slightly more balanced field when playing with/against min-maxers who grind day in and day out, but a lot of that is negated thanks to the Light Level that hurts more casual players. Fortunately there are several paths that they can use to work their way up (As my short time on your account proved).
Complete thread:
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 14:52
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 15:06
- That would require a fundamentally different type of game.
- Funkmon, 2016-03-31, 15:22
- Finally got back out of jail eh?
- Blackt1g3r, 2016-03-31, 17:33
- heh heh heh :)
- CruelLEGACEY, 2016-03-31, 17:53
- Does Cody even know? - Blackt1g3r, 2016-03-31, 18:44
- heh heh heh :)
- That would require a fundamentally different type of game.
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Funkmon,
2016-03-31, 15:20
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 15:23
- They're just different types of games. - Funkmon, 2016-03-31, 15:34
- Thanks! Follow up questions: -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 15:31
- Thanks! Follow up questions: -
Funkmon,
2016-03-31, 15:42
- Thanks! Follow up questions: -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 15:54
- It's needed to unify vanguard and crucible.
- Funkmon, 2016-03-31, 15:58
- how so? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 16:04
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
Funkmon,
2016-03-31, 16:07
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 16:52
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 16:54
- Keeping the ratings separate. - Cody Miller, 2016-03-31, 17:03
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
Funkmon,
2016-03-31, 17:53
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 17:58
- Are you proposing no meaningful increase in damage of guns? -
Funkmon,
2016-03-31, 18:20
- potentially... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 18:40
- There are problems with that. - Funkmon, 2016-04-01, 02:06
- potentially... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 18:40
- Are you proposing no meaningful increase in damage of guns? -
Funkmon,
2016-03-31, 18:20
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 17:58
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 16:54
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 16:52
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
Funkmon,
2016-03-31, 16:07
- how so? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 16:04
- It's needed to unify vanguard and crucible.
- Thanks! Follow up questions: -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 15:54
- Thanks! Follow up questions: -
Funkmon,
2016-03-31, 15:42
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 15:23
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
BeardFade,
2016-03-31, 16:23
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
unoudid,
2016-03-31, 17:19
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
Kermit,
2016-03-31, 17:50
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor - Blackt1g3r, 2016-03-31, 18:23
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
unoudid,
2016-03-31, 18:38
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor - Kermit, 2016-03-31, 19:59
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
BeardFade,
2016-03-31, 19:51
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
Kermit,
2016-03-31, 20:11
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor - stabbim, 2016-04-01, 19:27
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
Kermit,
2016-03-31, 20:11
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
Kermit,
2016-03-31, 17:50
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
unoudid,
2016-03-31, 17:19
- I still think . . . - cheapLEY, 2016-03-31, 16:27
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
squidnh3,
2016-03-31, 16:36
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 16:41
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - Kermit, 2016-03-31, 17:39
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - marmot 1333, 2016-04-01, 16:07
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 17:01
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - stabbim, 2016-04-01, 19:33
- THIS THIS THIS 1000x this -
Claude Errera,
2016-03-31, 21:25
- +1, This is very important.
- slycrel, 2016-03-31, 21:53
- THIS THIS THIS 1000x this - narcogen, 2016-03-31, 22:55
- Question about this point -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 23:14
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-01, 02:48
- Question about this point -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-01, 04:22
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-01, 15:56
- Question about this point -
marmot 1333,
2016-04-01, 16:23
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-01, 17:21
- Did he punch you?
- Funkmon, 2016-04-01, 20:52
- Don't remember. :(
- Claude Errera, 2016-04-01, 21:22
- Don't remember. :(
- Did he punch you?
- Question about this point -
Kermit,
2016-04-04, 16:02
- Question about this point -
Korny,
2016-04-04, 16:06
- Question about this point -
Kermit,
2016-04-04, 16:15
- Question about this point -
marmot 1333,
2016-04-04, 16:23
- Question about this point - Funkmon, 2016-04-04, 16:30
- Question about this point -
Kermit,
2016-04-04, 16:35
- Question about this point -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-04, 17:18
- Question about this point - Kermit, 2016-04-04, 17:31
- Question about this point - marmot 1333, 2016-04-04, 17:44
- Question about this point -
MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-04, 17:18
- Question about this point -
Korny,
2016-04-04, 17:28
- Question about this point - marmot 1333, 2016-04-04, 17:48
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-04, 18:39
- Question about this point -
Kermit,
2016-04-04, 19:08
- Question about this point -
stabbim,
2016-04-04, 19:21
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-04, 19:51
- Question about this point - Kermit, 2016-04-04, 19:56
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-04, 19:51
- Question about this point -
stabbim,
2016-04-04, 19:21
- Question about this point -
Kermit,
2016-04-04, 19:08
- Question about this point -
marmot 1333,
2016-04-04, 16:23
- Question about this point -
Kermit,
2016-04-04, 16:15
- Question about this point -
Korny,
2016-04-04, 16:06
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-01, 17:21
- Question about this point -
marmot 1333,
2016-04-01, 16:23
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-01, 15:56
- Question about this point -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-01, 04:22
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-01, 02:48
- +1, This is very important.
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 16:41
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 16:37
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 16:44
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 16:47
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 16:49
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 16:56
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-03-31, 17:05
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 17:09
- "... in my opinion" ;) - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-03-31, 18:04
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - stabbim, 2016-04-01, 20:47
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 16:56
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 16:49
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 16:47
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 16:44
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Kahzgul,
2016-03-31, 16:51
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 17:17
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Kahzgul,
2016-03-31, 23:29
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - Cody Miller, 2016-04-01, 02:34
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Kahzgul,
2016-03-31, 23:29
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 17:17
- Two simple complaints for me. -
ProbablyLast,
2016-03-31, 17:26
- Ayyuuuup.
- Funkmon, 2016-04-01, 02:36
- Ayyuuuup.
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - Leviathan, 2016-03-31, 17:55
- No, no, no, wait, why do I play this game again? - Durandal, 2016-03-31, 18:02
- As someone who has had to level over a dozen(!) Guardians... -
Korny,
2016-03-31, 19:24
- As someone who has had to level over a dozen(!) Guardians... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 19:40
- I'll take another crack at it, then... - Korny, 2016-03-31, 19:50
- As someone who has had to level over a dozen(!) Guardians... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 19:40
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
narcogen,
2016-03-31, 22:47
- Great point. Thanks for that :)
- CruelLEGACEY, 2016-04-01, 13:50
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - Cody Miller, 2016-04-01, 14:07
- Great point. Thanks for that :)
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-01, 02:18
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-04-04, 15:32
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 15:06