
Keeping the ratings separate. (Destiny)
In short: Levels are how RPGs can automatically adjust difficulty to individual players' skills.
This is only tangentially true and not the main reason.
Levels and stats are a way of indicating your avatar has gotten stronger. This made sense in tabletop games, because your character would get more skilled as he or she adventured in terms of the role playing. Because you are interacting through an abstracted system, you aren't actually improving your sword skills for example, but your character in the game world would be. Hence, levels.
In early games and most RPGs, the interaction with the game is primitive. MMO and JRPGs are very simply strategy games if you remove levels from the equation. Like, stupidly simple. Thus, because the systems are easily mastered, levels are added in to counteract that and give the illusion of difficulty and progression.
But in an FPS environment where you direct control your character, and a great deal of how you perform is up to YOU not your avatar, leveling has no place at all. Leveling was always there for an in world narrative reason, never for challenge. It became a challenge issue because early RPGs were crude, and thus the only challenge it could really provide were from over leveled enemies.
Using levels in this way is a crutch for bad design, but necessary because the games would suck otherwise. Better solution in action games is what we have had for years: selectable difficulty levels.
Avatar progression in action games is not always bad, but it must make the game more challenging rather than making it easier. The more skills you get, the tougher and more diverse the challenges you face.
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- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 14:52
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 15:06
- That would require a fundamentally different type of game.
- Funkmon, 2016-03-31, 15:22
- Finally got back out of jail eh?
- Blackt1g3r, 2016-03-31, 17:33
- heh heh heh :)
- CruelLEGACEY, 2016-03-31, 17:53
- Does Cody even know? - Blackt1g3r, 2016-03-31, 18:44
- heh heh heh :)
- That would require a fundamentally different type of game.
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Funkmon,
2016-03-31, 15:20
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 15:23
- They're just different types of games. - Funkmon, 2016-03-31, 15:34
- Thanks! Follow up questions: -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 15:31
- Thanks! Follow up questions: -
Funkmon,
2016-03-31, 15:42
- Thanks! Follow up questions: -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 15:54
- It's needed to unify vanguard and crucible.
- Funkmon, 2016-03-31, 15:58
- how so? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 16:04
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
Funkmon,
2016-03-31, 16:07
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 16:52
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 16:54
- Keeping the ratings separate. - Cody Miller, 2016-03-31, 17:03
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
Funkmon,
2016-03-31, 17:53
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 17:58
- Are you proposing no meaningful increase in damage of guns? -
Funkmon,
2016-03-31, 18:20
- potentially... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 18:40
- There are problems with that. - Funkmon, 2016-04-01, 02:06
- potentially... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 18:40
- Are you proposing no meaningful increase in damage of guns? -
Funkmon,
2016-03-31, 18:20
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 17:58
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 16:54
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 16:52
- Keeping the ratings separate. -
Funkmon,
2016-03-31, 16:07
- how so? -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 16:04
- It's needed to unify vanguard and crucible.
- Thanks! Follow up questions: -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 15:54
- Thanks! Follow up questions: -
Funkmon,
2016-03-31, 15:42
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 15:23
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
BeardFade,
2016-03-31, 16:23
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
unoudid,
2016-03-31, 17:19
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
Kermit,
2016-03-31, 17:50
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor - Blackt1g3r, 2016-03-31, 18:23
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
unoudid,
2016-03-31, 18:38
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor - Kermit, 2016-03-31, 19:59
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
BeardFade,
2016-03-31, 19:51
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
Kermit,
2016-03-31, 20:11
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor - stabbim, 2016-04-01, 19:27
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
Kermit,
2016-03-31, 20:11
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
Kermit,
2016-03-31, 17:50
- I want a reliable way to modify weapons and armor -
unoudid,
2016-03-31, 17:19
- I still think . . . - cheapLEY, 2016-03-31, 16:27
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
squidnh3,
2016-03-31, 16:36
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 16:41
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - Kermit, 2016-03-31, 17:39
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - marmot 1333, 2016-04-01, 16:07
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 17:01
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - stabbim, 2016-04-01, 19:33
- THIS THIS THIS 1000x this -
Claude Errera,
2016-03-31, 21:25
- +1, This is very important.
- slycrel, 2016-03-31, 21:53
- THIS THIS THIS 1000x this - narcogen, 2016-03-31, 22:55
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CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 23:14
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-01, 02:48
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CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-01, 04:22
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-01, 15:56
- Question about this point -
marmot 1333,
2016-04-01, 16:23
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-01, 17:21
- Did he punch you?
- Funkmon, 2016-04-01, 20:52
- Don't remember. :(
- Claude Errera, 2016-04-01, 21:22
- Don't remember. :(
- Did he punch you?
- Question about this point -
Kermit,
2016-04-04, 16:02
- Question about this point -
Korny,
2016-04-04, 16:06
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Kermit,
2016-04-04, 16:15
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marmot 1333,
2016-04-04, 16:23
- Question about this point - Funkmon, 2016-04-04, 16:30
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Kermit,
2016-04-04, 16:35
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MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-04, 17:18
- Question about this point - Kermit, 2016-04-04, 17:31
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MacAddictXIV,
2016-04-04, 17:18
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Korny,
2016-04-04, 17:28
- Question about this point - marmot 1333, 2016-04-04, 17:48
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Claude Errera,
2016-04-04, 18:39
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Kermit,
2016-04-04, 19:08
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stabbim,
2016-04-04, 19:21
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-04, 19:51
- Question about this point - Kermit, 2016-04-04, 19:56
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-04, 19:51
- Question about this point -
stabbim,
2016-04-04, 19:21
- Question about this point -
Kermit,
2016-04-04, 19:08
- Question about this point -
marmot 1333,
2016-04-04, 16:23
- Question about this point -
Kermit,
2016-04-04, 16:15
- Question about this point -
Korny,
2016-04-04, 16:06
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-01, 17:21
- Question about this point -
marmot 1333,
2016-04-01, 16:23
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-01, 15:56
- Question about this point -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-04-01, 04:22
- Question about this point -
Claude Errera,
2016-04-01, 02:48
- +1, This is very important.
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 16:41
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 16:37
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 16:44
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 16:47
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 16:49
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 16:56
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-03-31, 17:05
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 17:09
- "... in my opinion" ;) - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-03-31, 18:04
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - stabbim, 2016-04-01, 20:47
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 16:56
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 16:49
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
slycrel,
2016-03-31, 16:47
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 16:44
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Kahzgul,
2016-03-31, 16:51
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 17:17
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Kahzgul,
2016-03-31, 23:29
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - Cody Miller, 2016-04-01, 02:34
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Kahzgul,
2016-03-31, 23:29
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 17:17
- Two simple complaints for me. -
ProbablyLast,
2016-03-31, 17:26
- Ayyuuuup.
- Funkmon, 2016-04-01, 02:36
- Ayyuuuup.
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - Leviathan, 2016-03-31, 17:55
- No, no, no, wait, why do I play this game again? - Durandal, 2016-03-31, 18:02
- As someone who has had to level over a dozen(!) Guardians... -
Korny,
2016-03-31, 19:24
- As someone who has had to level over a dozen(!) Guardians... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 19:40
- I'll take another crack at it, then... - Korny, 2016-03-31, 19:50
- As someone who has had to level over a dozen(!) Guardians... -
CruelLEGACEY,
2016-03-31, 19:40
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
narcogen,
2016-03-31, 22:47
- Great point. Thanks for that :)
- CruelLEGACEY, 2016-04-01, 13:50
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - Cody Miller, 2016-04-01, 14:07
- Great point. Thanks for that :)
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Ragashingo,
2016-04-01, 02:18
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers - CruelLEGACEY, 2016-04-04, 15:32
- Some thoughts, then some questions for all you DBOers -
Cody Miller,
2016-03-31, 15:06