
TTK isn't the only stat that matters (Destiny)
Currently Scout rifles can two shot with head shots. Does that make them OP?
The issue wasn't just that more people used Autoguns. The issue was that autoguns were very forgiving. Ample clip sizes, good stability and the fastest reloads are the halmarks of the class.
TTK assumes you make all your shots. The low recoil on the Shadowprice made it very easy to land a large number of headshots and win out over the other weapon classes even at their preferred range. Suros was the same way, with lifesteal added on.
Hand Cannons had long reload times, slower firing rates and small clips. Scout Rifles had larger clips but fired even slower. Thorn and the Last Word are powerful precisely because they have some of the fastest fire rates in their class. Both classes need skill to win because a single miss would mean an Auto Rifle would win out. You were also more vulnerable since the reloads took longer and were more likely in a sustained fight.
So ARs require less skill to use, and had greater benefits for skilled players since they could land headshots and get the first shot in more often. If you are not getting head shots, then TTK is the same for AR and HCs, and longer for SCs.
Based on the data, if you can't get headshots, don't use anything but ARs. The game plays just as you want barring that, and I don't think you want to say that people who take the added risk of the HC and SCs should suffer without any benefit.
Complete thread:
- I'm done with Crucible -
ChaosSociety,
2015-03-17, 05:07
- I'm happy suros is no longer mandatory - Durandal, 2015-03-17, 10:25
- I'm done with Crucible - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-03-17, 11:36
- Still not convinced by the AR nerf -
someotherguy,
2015-03-17, 14:04
- Still not convinced by the AR nerf -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-17, 17:35
- DYK for life...
- Robot Chickens, 2015-03-17, 17:36
- Exactly - someotherguy, 2015-03-17, 23:40
- DYK for life...
- Still not convinced by the AR nerf -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-17, 17:35
- I'm done with Crucible - iconicbanana, 2015-03-17, 14:10
- I've struggled with the extra nerfing to ARs, too -
BeardFade,
2015-03-17, 14:35
- This ^^^ - Kahzgul, 2015-03-17, 14:46
- Yeah, them numbers is BS. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:15
- BS Example. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:30
- You're going to want to stop posting -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 15:39
- You're going to want to stop posting -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:54
- You're going to want to stop posting -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 16:36
- You're going to want to stop posting -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:42
- You're going to want to stop posting - Earendil, 2015-03-17, 16:51
- You're going to want to stop posting -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:42
- You're going to want to stop posting -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 16:36
- Just posting to point out TTK =/= DPS - someotherguy, 2015-03-18, 00:05
- You're going to want to stop posting -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:54
- TTK isn't the only stat that matters -
Durandal,
2015-03-17, 16:29
- Very true. Practicality is big. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:37
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:50
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 16:54
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:58
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-03-17, 17:19
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-17, 17:25
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-03-17, 17:48
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-17, 17:52
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? - MacAddictXIV, 2015-03-17, 17:59
- Crit isn't how I would have balanced it -
Durandal,
2015-03-17, 23:59
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 00:08
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-18, 00:15
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. - iconicbanana, 2015-03-18, 00:24
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-18, 13:34
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-18, 13:42
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-18, 13:53
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 14:02
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-18, 14:16
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. - iconicbanana, 2015-03-18, 14:20
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-18, 14:16
- I think we should be spastic AR toting friends.
- MacAddictXIV, 2015-03-18, 15:57
- + 1
- CruelLEGACEY, 2015-03-18, 16:41
- I think we should be spastic AR toting friends. -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-03-18, 18:30
- I approve of this plan - Durandal, 2015-03-19, 15:46
- + 1
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 14:02
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-18, 13:53
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-18, 13:42
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-18, 00:15
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 00:08
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-17, 17:52
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-03-17, 17:48
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? - iconicbanana, 2015-03-17, 20:11
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-17, 17:25
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-03-17, 17:19
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:58
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 16:54
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:50
- Very true. Practicality is big. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:37
- You're going to want to stop posting -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 15:39
- Yeah, them numbers is BS. - Earendil, 2015-03-17, 15:35
- BS Example. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:30
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 15:28
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:38
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 15:43
- More a trust issue than a numbers issue. - iconicbanana, 2015-03-17, 15:47
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
Xenos,
2015-03-18, 00:35
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 00:47
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
Xenos,
2015-03-18, 00:56
- *You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 01:03
- *You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians - MacAddictXIV, 2015-03-18, 16:04
- *You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 01:03
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
Xenos,
2015-03-18, 00:56
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 00:47
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 15:43
- The key word was "interpretation" -
BeardFade,
2015-03-17, 16:20
- The key word was "interpretation" -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 16:43
- The key word was "interpretation" -
BeardFade,
2015-03-17, 17:09
- The key word was "interpretation" -
Robot Chickens,
2015-03-17, 17:30
- You're the best... around... nobodevgonihavmesaow... -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 20:45
- You're the best... around... nobodevgonihavmesaow... - Robot Chickens, 2015-03-17, 21:38
- You're the best... around... nobodevgonihavmesaow... -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 20:45
- The key word was "interpretation" -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 17:45
- What is "lethality"? - iconicbanana, 2015-03-17, 20:09
- The key word was "interpretation" - narcogen, 2015-03-18, 03:31
- The key word was "interpretation" -
Robot Chickens,
2015-03-17, 17:30
- The key word was "interpretation" -
BeardFade,
2015-03-17, 17:09
- The key word was "interpretation" -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 16:43
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:38
- I've struggled with the extra nerfing to ARs, too - Cody Miller, 2015-03-17, 17:50
- I'm done with Crucible - Cody Miller, 2015-03-17, 17:30
- You forgot D -
someotherguy,
2015-03-18, 02:24
- You forgot D -
Ragashingo,
2015-03-18, 03:25
- Ha! I hadnt considered this.
- someotherguy, 2015-03-18, 11:38
- You forgot D - dogcow, 2015-03-18, 14:04
- Ha! I hadnt considered this.
- You forgot D -
Ragashingo,
2015-03-18, 03:25
- Fancy Airsoft Gun My Foot. -
Ragashingo,
2015-03-19, 01:45
- Fancy Airsoft Gun My Foot. -
Korny,
2015-03-19, 02:00
- Fancy Airsoft Gun My Foot. - Claude Errera, 2015-03-19, 14:00
- Fancy Airsoft Gun My Foot. -
Korny,
2015-03-19, 02:00