
Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? (Destiny)
So ARs require less skill to use, and had greater benefits for skilled players since they could land headshots and get the first shot in more often. If you are not getting head shots, then TTK is the same for AR and HCs, and longer for SCs.
Based on the data, if you can't get headshots, don't use anything but ARs. The game plays just as you want barring that, and I don't think you want to say that people who take the added risk of the HC and SCs should suffer without any benefit.
This is very true, and one of the points that doesn't get made as often. But whether you can or can't land headshots now, AR's aren't really competitive. Suros is actually one of the worst AR's in the game now. 1.1.1 really nerfed AR's, I think too far. They definitely don't outshoot everything now if neither player can hit headshots; the real question is whether they can outshoot anything.
Balancing the lethality of an AR in a skilled users hands with the penchant for less skilled players to use AR's seems to be the biggest issue with this weapon class, likely from the start. Would a better move have been to keep the original base damage, and just not have AR's do bonus headshot damage at all?
Complete thread:
- I'm done with Crucible -
ChaosSociety,
2015-03-17, 05:07
- I'm happy suros is no longer mandatory - Durandal, 2015-03-17, 10:25
- I'm done with Crucible - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-03-17, 11:36
- Still not convinced by the AR nerf -
someotherguy,
2015-03-17, 14:04
- Still not convinced by the AR nerf -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-17, 17:35
- DYK for life...
- Robot Chickens, 2015-03-17, 17:36
- Exactly - someotherguy, 2015-03-17, 23:40
- DYK for life...
- Still not convinced by the AR nerf -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-17, 17:35
- I'm done with Crucible - iconicbanana, 2015-03-17, 14:10
- I've struggled with the extra nerfing to ARs, too -
BeardFade,
2015-03-17, 14:35
- This ^^^ - Kahzgul, 2015-03-17, 14:46
- Yeah, them numbers is BS. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:15
- BS Example. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:30
- You're going to want to stop posting -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 15:39
- You're going to want to stop posting -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:54
- You're going to want to stop posting -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 16:36
- You're going to want to stop posting -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:42
- You're going to want to stop posting - Earendil, 2015-03-17, 16:51
- You're going to want to stop posting -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:42
- You're going to want to stop posting -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 16:36
- Just posting to point out TTK =/= DPS - someotherguy, 2015-03-18, 00:05
- You're going to want to stop posting -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:54
- TTK isn't the only stat that matters -
Durandal,
2015-03-17, 16:29
- Very true. Practicality is big. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:37
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:50
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 16:54
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:58
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-03-17, 17:19
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-17, 17:25
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-03-17, 17:48
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-17, 17:52
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? - MacAddictXIV, 2015-03-17, 17:59
- Crit isn't how I would have balanced it -
Durandal,
2015-03-17, 23:59
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 00:08
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-18, 00:15
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. - iconicbanana, 2015-03-18, 00:24
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-18, 13:34
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-18, 13:42
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-18, 13:53
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 14:02
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-18, 14:16
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. - iconicbanana, 2015-03-18, 14:20
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-18, 14:16
- I think we should be spastic AR toting friends.
- MacAddictXIV, 2015-03-18, 15:57
- + 1
- CruelLEGACEY, 2015-03-18, 16:41
- I think we should be spastic AR toting friends. -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-03-18, 18:30
- I approve of this plan - Durandal, 2015-03-19, 15:46
- + 1
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 14:02
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-18, 13:53
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-18, 13:42
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-18, 00:15
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 00:08
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-17, 17:52
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-03-17, 17:48
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? - iconicbanana, 2015-03-17, 20:11
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-17, 17:25
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-03-17, 17:19
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:58
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 16:54
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:50
- Very true. Practicality is big. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:37
- You're going to want to stop posting -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 15:39
- Yeah, them numbers is BS. - Earendil, 2015-03-17, 15:35
- BS Example. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:30
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 15:28
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:38
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 15:43
- More a trust issue than a numbers issue. - iconicbanana, 2015-03-17, 15:47
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
Xenos,
2015-03-18, 00:35
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 00:47
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
Xenos,
2015-03-18, 00:56
- *You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 01:03
- *You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians - MacAddictXIV, 2015-03-18, 16:04
- *You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 01:03
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
Xenos,
2015-03-18, 00:56
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 00:47
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 15:43
- The key word was "interpretation" -
BeardFade,
2015-03-17, 16:20
- The key word was "interpretation" -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 16:43
- The key word was "interpretation" -
BeardFade,
2015-03-17, 17:09
- The key word was "interpretation" -
Robot Chickens,
2015-03-17, 17:30
- You're the best... around... nobodevgonihavmesaow... -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 20:45
- You're the best... around... nobodevgonihavmesaow... - Robot Chickens, 2015-03-17, 21:38
- You're the best... around... nobodevgonihavmesaow... -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 20:45
- The key word was "interpretation" -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 17:45
- What is "lethality"? - iconicbanana, 2015-03-17, 20:09
- The key word was "interpretation" - narcogen, 2015-03-18, 03:31
- The key word was "interpretation" -
Robot Chickens,
2015-03-17, 17:30
- The key word was "interpretation" -
BeardFade,
2015-03-17, 17:09
- The key word was "interpretation" -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 16:43
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:38
- I've struggled with the extra nerfing to ARs, too - Cody Miller, 2015-03-17, 17:50
- I'm done with Crucible - Cody Miller, 2015-03-17, 17:30
- You forgot D -
someotherguy,
2015-03-18, 02:24
- You forgot D -
Ragashingo,
2015-03-18, 03:25
- Ha! I hadnt considered this.
- someotherguy, 2015-03-18, 11:38
- You forgot D - dogcow, 2015-03-18, 14:04
- Ha! I hadnt considered this.
- You forgot D -
Ragashingo,
2015-03-18, 03:25
- Fancy Airsoft Gun My Foot. -
Ragashingo,
2015-03-19, 01:45
- Fancy Airsoft Gun My Foot. -
Korny,
2015-03-19, 02:00
- Fancy Airsoft Gun My Foot. - Claude Errera, 2015-03-19, 14:00
- Fancy Airsoft Gun My Foot. -
Korny,
2015-03-19, 02:00