It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. (Destiny)

by iconicbanana, C2-H5-OH + NAD, Portland, OR, Wednesday, March 18, 2015, 14:20 (3775 days ago) @ CruelLEGACEY
edited by iconicbanana, Wednesday, March 18, 2015, 14:25

I went on a total rampage with Suros Regime last night. Granted, Suros is THE BEST Auto Rifle in the game, but I still think it's unfair to call them "useless". I do far better with Suros than I do with Red Death or Hawkmoon. A lot of it comes down to personal playstyle and skill set.

Perhaps it does, but I honestly think a good player who is using a Suros will lose in a fight to a good player using nearly any hand cannon, most of the time.

My K/D last night says otherwise :)

As I said in another thread, Hand Canons are certainly more effective than ARs if used with 100% efficiency. But they're also more punishing when you miss shots. One of the reasons I have a hard time using HCs is because I side-step like a madman. I twitch and juke all over the place. This makes it very difficult for me to land headshots with a HC, but it also makes it difficult for other people to hit me. So for my playstyle, painting my crosshair in the general area of my target's head and holding down the trigger with my AR works really well. I'll out-duel most HC users I come across.

I think where we started in this madness was more to the point of giving players who prefer AR-centric playstyles a fair shake. Think of the Dr. Nope lovers! That thing needs some love. Look at the steaming pile of the Nechrocasm. There's absolutely no reward for it. I can't honestly say how it's playing in IB but I played a fair amount of plain old fashioned crucible post-patch, and there was pity in my heart for the Atheon's Epilogue users. I might not be a good example either because personally, for me, the Thorn and Last Word are very up my alley. I wasn't losing many gunfights, and I was beating the Suros consistently, which is abnormal. Usually it's more 50/50 with me, and it felt more 75/25.

(Obligatory "moot 'till they give us some data!" comment :/)

The problem with both Atheon's Epilogue and Necrochasm is they're high rate of fire/low impact. ARs like that are typically not very effective in Crucible. Weapons like Suros Regime (when zoomed in) are effective because they're lower RoF, higher impact. I haven't tried it yet, but I suspect Abyss Defiant would actually be quite good in Crucible as well.

* Just to be clear, about 99% of my Suros kills are scored while ADS. Hip-firing Auto Rifles is all but useless, IMO.

This is where I think Bungie could change up their approach (this thread is in danger of becoming sentient at this point). You could really help those +RoF/-Impact rifles, and maybe solve the Vanquisher/Suros problem, by making them more effective for short range and less effective at Scout Rifle range.

(As an aside: it is nice to see someone who still enjoys them in here!)