
It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. (Destiny)
ARs share the same range profile as HCs and be comparable in TTK. The issue is that the range bands don't seem as important in Destiny as they did in Halo or COD. You can still be effective in most maps with a HC or AR except at extreme ranges.
You can't really include the special weapons in the analysis, since they are meant to be clearly superior at their chosen range.
Prior to the change, as I said earlier, the ARs were too easy to use. You could kill in about the same time with body shots, and you could easily have ammo to kill 5 guys in a row without reloading. The best HCs can get is 3 people. Instead of dropping the damage I would have widened the spread on the gun, but that would highly penalize the "precision" ARs like the Suros, Shadowprice and Cydonia, and not really adversely effect the spray and pray models like Dr. Nope. Dropping the damage pretty much equally penalizes both the accurate and the spray class archetypes. The alternatives, like having a larger range drop off in damage or reducing clip size have their own major drawbacks and would also elicit complaints.
I've got anecdotal reports from IB that it is much more diverse this time around, which we should all consider a win. I hated the first IB where 4-5 of the people on each side would have a Suros. That was a clear indication of something being off, and if everyone is toting a Thorn in the next few IBs there will need to be another adjustment.
I think this may all be moot until we get some post-patch numbers on the player base. I'm not seeing many anecdotes from people saying they're still content to run AR's in this thread. Kinda hard to kill 5 guys in a row if you can't get past the first one.
Complete thread:
- I'm done with Crucible -
ChaosSociety,
2015-03-17, 05:07
- I'm happy suros is no longer mandatory - Durandal, 2015-03-17, 10:25
- I'm done with Crucible - CruelLEGACEY, 2015-03-17, 11:36
- Still not convinced by the AR nerf -
someotherguy,
2015-03-17, 14:04
- Still not convinced by the AR nerf -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-17, 17:35
- DYK for life...
- Robot Chickens, 2015-03-17, 17:36
- Exactly - someotherguy, 2015-03-17, 23:40
- DYK for life...
- Still not convinced by the AR nerf -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-17, 17:35
- I'm done with Crucible - iconicbanana, 2015-03-17, 14:10
- I've struggled with the extra nerfing to ARs, too -
BeardFade,
2015-03-17, 14:35
- This ^^^ - Kahzgul, 2015-03-17, 14:46
- Yeah, them numbers is BS. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:15
- BS Example. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:30
- You're going to want to stop posting -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 15:39
- You're going to want to stop posting -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:54
- You're going to want to stop posting -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 16:36
- You're going to want to stop posting -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:42
- You're going to want to stop posting - Earendil, 2015-03-17, 16:51
- You're going to want to stop posting -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:42
- You're going to want to stop posting -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 16:36
- Just posting to point out TTK =/= DPS - someotherguy, 2015-03-18, 00:05
- You're going to want to stop posting -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:54
- TTK isn't the only stat that matters -
Durandal,
2015-03-17, 16:29
- Very true. Practicality is big. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:37
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:50
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 16:54
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:58
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-03-17, 17:19
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-17, 17:25
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-03-17, 17:48
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-17, 17:52
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? - MacAddictXIV, 2015-03-17, 17:59
- Crit isn't how I would have balanced it -
Durandal,
2015-03-17, 23:59
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 00:08
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-18, 00:15
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. - iconicbanana, 2015-03-18, 00:24
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-18, 13:34
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-18, 13:42
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-18, 13:53
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 14:02
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-18, 14:16
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. - iconicbanana, 2015-03-18, 14:20
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-18, 14:16
- I think we should be spastic AR toting friends.
- MacAddictXIV, 2015-03-18, 15:57
- + 1
- CruelLEGACEY, 2015-03-18, 16:41
- I think we should be spastic AR toting friends. -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-03-18, 18:30
- I approve of this plan - Durandal, 2015-03-19, 15:46
- + 1
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 14:02
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
CruelLEGACEY,
2015-03-18, 13:53
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-18, 13:42
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-18, 00:15
- It might have been fine with less of a dmg nerf. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 00:08
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-17, 17:52
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-03-17, 17:48
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? - iconicbanana, 2015-03-17, 20:11
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
Cody Miller,
2015-03-17, 17:25
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
MacAddictXIV,
2015-03-17, 17:19
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:58
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 16:54
- Would it have been better to just remove crits for AR's? -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:50
- Very true. Practicality is big. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 16:37
- You're going to want to stop posting -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 15:39
- Yeah, them numbers is BS. - Earendil, 2015-03-17, 15:35
- BS Example. -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:30
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 15:28
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:38
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 15:43
- More a trust issue than a numbers issue. - iconicbanana, 2015-03-17, 15:47
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
Xenos,
2015-03-18, 00:35
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 00:47
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
Xenos,
2015-03-18, 00:56
- *You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 01:03
- *You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians - MacAddictXIV, 2015-03-18, 16:04
- *You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 01:03
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
Xenos,
2015-03-18, 00:56
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-18, 00:47
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 15:43
- The key word was "interpretation" -
BeardFade,
2015-03-17, 16:20
- The key word was "interpretation" -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 16:43
- The key word was "interpretation" -
BeardFade,
2015-03-17, 17:09
- The key word was "interpretation" -
Robot Chickens,
2015-03-17, 17:30
- You're the best... around... nobodevgonihavmesaow... -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 20:45
- You're the best... around... nobodevgonihavmesaow... - Robot Chickens, 2015-03-17, 21:38
- You're the best... around... nobodevgonihavmesaow... -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 20:45
- The key word was "interpretation" -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 17:45
- What is "lethality"? - iconicbanana, 2015-03-17, 20:09
- The key word was "interpretation" - narcogen, 2015-03-18, 03:31
- The key word was "interpretation" -
Robot Chickens,
2015-03-17, 17:30
- The key word was "interpretation" -
BeardFade,
2015-03-17, 17:09
- The key word was "interpretation" -
Earendil,
2015-03-17, 16:43
- You guys and your simplifying of the Bungie statisticians -
iconicbanana,
2015-03-17, 15:38
- I've struggled with the extra nerfing to ARs, too - Cody Miller, 2015-03-17, 17:50
- I'm done with Crucible - Cody Miller, 2015-03-17, 17:30
- You forgot D -
someotherguy,
2015-03-18, 02:24
- You forgot D -
Ragashingo,
2015-03-18, 03:25
- Ha! I hadnt considered this.
- someotherguy, 2015-03-18, 11:38
- You forgot D - dogcow, 2015-03-18, 14:04
- Ha! I hadnt considered this.
- You forgot D -
Ragashingo,
2015-03-18, 03:25
- Fancy Airsoft Gun My Foot. -
Ragashingo,
2015-03-19, 01:45
- Fancy Airsoft Gun My Foot. -
Korny,
2015-03-19, 02:00
- Fancy Airsoft Gun My Foot. - Claude Errera, 2015-03-19, 14:00
- Fancy Airsoft Gun My Foot. -
Korny,
2015-03-19, 02:00