
My takeaway: (Destiny)
Yeah, but dig into the behind the scenes of a lot of great creative projects and you'll see the same kinds of things. For instance:
- Tomb Raider 2013 very nearly fell apart multiple times before it shipped and successfully relaunched the franchise. One of the key lead people had significant heart problems that kept him away from development for several months. Their story originally involved Lara fighting tribal spirits and having to escort some little kid. They didn't hit on the feel of combat until something like a year before they shipped.
- The new Beauty and the Beast movie (which I loved) was originally planned as a drama only somewhat inspired by the 1990's animated movie and would have had no songs. The original Disney Beauty and the Beast had Be Our Guest sung to Belle's father much earlier in the film and they had to redo it when they realized that it was Belle the song should have been sung to.
- The original Toy Story saw all sorts of different ideas not make it. At one point in production, executives at Disney kept demanding that Woody be made meaner and meaner but when they saw their first screening they literally cancelled the project. Pixar scrambled and rewrote the entire movie in something like a weekend to save their first movie from never being made.
- Inside Out, which I consider one of the smartest written movies ever, had significant production problems and did not hit on its core concepts of: "you can't always be happy and that sometimes sadness is a necessary part of life" until multiple years of work had already been done and it took a decent size rewrite (along with all the reanimating that entails) to make it into the brilliant movie it became. The director Pete Docter who had been a part of Pixar from the beginning only stumbled upon this core theme when he was out jogging in the woods trying to reconcile the fact that he had probably failed his studio and team and would probably be fired from Pixar because of it!
- And, now we see that most of the Halos, which are beloved and all of which sold several million copies and made the Xbox platform viable, were themselves trainwrecks that mostly came together in the end.
Over the years I've come to realize that a studio's programming, graphics, and story talent is only the starting point. It's having those massively talented people overcome all sorts of real and idiotically self inflicted challenges that makes a studio great. And for better or worse, Bungie seems pretty darn good at having to overcome challenges...
Complete thread:
- Massive Info Dump on Halo History -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-05-30, 18:06
- Massive Info Dump on Halo History -
Cody Miller,
2017-05-30, 18:18
- Massive Info Dump on Halo History - Blackt1g3r, 2017-05-30, 18:53
- That was a monster. - Claude Errera, 2017-05-30, 20:46
- Massive Info Dump on Halo History -
Revenant1988,
2017-05-30, 21:16
- Massive Info Dump on Halo History, thank the Hoberman! - dogcow, 2017-05-31, 15:39
- 343 wants to be really, and I appreciate this, respectful of -
Durandal,
2017-05-30, 22:03
- 343 wants to be really, and I appreciate this, respectful of -
Ragashingo,
2017-05-30, 22:19
- 343 wants to be really, and I appreciate this, respectful of -
Cody Miller,
2017-05-30, 22:26
- Oh man, that's priceless
- CruelLEGACEY, 2017-05-30, 22:28
- Rofl
- Funkmon, 2017-05-31, 00:50
- Oh man, that's priceless
- 343 wants to be really, and I appreciate this, respectful of -
narcogen,
2017-05-30, 23:18
- Mine too
- Blackt1g3r, 2017-05-30, 23:19
- Buy it if money isn't a worry. Great fun. Turn off brain.
- Funkmon, 2017-05-31, 11:33
- +1. Loving Warzone Firefight
- ZackDark, 2017-05-31, 12:54
- +1. So good
- kidtsunami, 2017-05-31, 13:11
- +1. So good
- +1. Loving Warzone Firefight
- Mine too
- 343 wants to be really, and I appreciate this, respectful of -
Avateur,
2017-05-30, 23:55
- 343 wants to be really, and I appreciate this, respectful of - Cody Miller, 2017-05-31, 00:17
- 343 wants to be really, and I appreciate this, respectful of -
Cody Miller,
2017-05-30, 22:26
- 343 wants to be really, and I appreciate this, respectful of - kidtsunami, 2017-05-31, 11:12
- 343 wants to be really, and I appreciate this, respectful of -
Ragashingo,
2017-05-30, 22:19
- I have to admit that I skimmed the 343 stuff. -
Kermit,
2017-05-31, 00:24
- I have to admit that I skimmed the 343 stuff. - Cody Miller, 2017-05-31, 02:59
- You didn't miss much. -
Quirel,
2017-05-31, 04:23
- You didn't miss much. - Cody Miller, 2017-06-11, 18:44
- I have to admit that I skimmed the 343 stuff. -
electricpirate,
2017-05-31, 14:16
- I have to admit that I skimmed the 343 stuff. - Cody Miller, 2017-05-31, 15:41
- Wish I'd started reading this sooner.
- Quirel, 2017-05-31, 00:43
- I'm going to bookmark this for a toilet read.
- Funkmon, 2017-05-31, 00:51
- You'll rue the day you're in the bathroom long enough.
- Quirel, 2017-05-31, 00:58
- Couldn't wait. Legs went numb. Question for devs: -
Funkmon,
2017-05-31, 02:16
- Couldn't wait. Legs went numb. Question for devs: - narcogen, 2017-05-31, 02:28
- Couldn't wait. Legs went numb. Question for devs: -
Kahzgul,
2017-05-31, 05:39
- +1, very plausible. More than just rendering graphics.
- slycrel, 2017-05-31, 06:28
- Couldn't wait. Legs went numb. Question for devs: -
CruelLEGACEY,
2017-05-31, 11:55
- Couldn't wait. Legs went numb. Question for devs: -
Cody Miller,
2017-05-31, 12:25
- Couldn't wait. Legs went numb. Question for devs: -
ZackDark,
2017-05-31, 12:59
- Couldn't wait. Legs went numb. Question for devs: - Cody Miller, 2017-05-31, 13:26
- Couldn't wait. Legs went numb. Question for devs: -
ZackDark,
2017-05-31, 12:59
- Couldn't wait. Legs went numb. Question for devs: -
Cody Miller,
2017-05-31, 12:25
- +1, very plausible. More than just rendering graphics.
- Hey! I know this thing! -
INSANEdrive,
2017-05-31, 12:31
- Those barrels. So. Much. Explosion.
- MacGyver10, 2017-05-31, 13:28
- (゚ヮ゚) I know, right! Happy to help! ٩(^ᴗ^)۶
- INSANEdrive, 2017-05-31, 14:00
- (゚ヮ゚) I know, right! Happy to help! ٩(^ᴗ^)۶
- Those barrels. So. Much. Explosion.
- True story. Rellekh felt the need to make sure I wasn't dead
- Robot Chickens, 2017-05-31, 17:02
- Couldn't wait. Legs went numb. Question for devs: -
Funkmon,
2017-05-31, 02:16
- You'll rue the day you're in the bathroom long enough.
- Bookmarked in my Destiny tab
- unoudid, 2017-05-31, 00:56
- That was a good read all around. -
Revenant1988,
2017-05-31, 01:53
- That was a good read all around. -
Cody Miller,
2017-05-31, 03:01
- I don't really think it's too complicated -
electricpirate,
2017-05-31, 14:12
- I don't really think it's too complicated -
Ragashingo,
2017-05-31, 14:23
- I don't really think it's too complicated -
narcogen,
2017-05-31, 15:03
- I don't really think it's too complicated -
Ragashingo,
2017-05-31, 15:31
- I don't really think it's too complicated - Avateur, 2017-06-01, 04:31
- I don't really think it's too complicated - electricpirate, 2017-06-01, 03:25
- I don't really think it's too complicated - cheapLEY, 2017-06-01, 12:08
- I don't really think it's too complicated -
Ragashingo,
2017-05-31, 15:31
- I don't really think it's too complicated -
narcogen,
2017-05-31, 15:03
- I don't really think it's too complicated -
Ragashingo,
2017-05-31, 14:23
- That was a good read all around. -
FyreWulff,
2017-06-01, 10:12
- That was a good read all around. -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-01, 15:49
- It's just a basic rule. - FyreWulff, 2017-06-02, 11:48
- That was a good read all around. -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-01, 15:49
- I don't really think it's too complicated -
electricpirate,
2017-05-31, 14:12
- That was a good read all around. -
Cody Miller,
2017-05-31, 03:01
- Ryan Payton on Halo 4 - narcogen, 2017-05-31, 02:18
- Massive Info Dump on Halo History - stabbim, 2017-05-31, 14:24
- Do they talk about "Forerunner Tank?"
- Schedonnardus, 2017-05-31, 14:31
- No, but awesomeness ensued
- narcogen, 2017-05-31, 15:00
- No, but awesomeness ensued
- What a bummer. -
cheapLEY,
2017-05-31, 21:33
- Same
- kidtsunami, 2017-06-01, 09:08
- What a bummer. -
Durandal,
2017-06-01, 15:29
- What a bummer. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-01, 15:34
- What a bummer. -
Kermit,
2017-06-01, 16:44
- What a bummer. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-01, 17:49
- What a bummer. -
Claude Errera,
2017-06-01, 18:30
- What a bummer. - cheapLEY, 2017-06-01, 18:33
- Interesting. Seems current Bungie wasn't allowed to comment -
Robot Chickens,
2017-06-01, 18:56
- I wouldn't be surprised if ... - Kermit, 2017-06-01, 19:02
- So just scratch "complete" off the beginning of the title?
- Ragashingo, 2017-06-01, 19:03
- Interesting. Seems current Bungie wasn't allowed to comment - Cody Miller, 2017-06-01, 19:12
- What a bummer. -
Claude Errera,
2017-06-01, 18:30
- +7
- Xenos, 2017-06-01, 18:19
- What a bummer. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-01, 17:49
- What a bummer. -
Kermit,
2017-06-01, 16:44
- What a bummer. -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-01, 15:34
- Same
- My takeaway: -
EffortlessFury,
2017-06-01, 01:36
- My takeaway: - Kahzgul, 2017-06-01, 05:59
- My takeaway: -
Kermit,
2017-06-01, 12:10
- My takeaway: -
EffortlessFury,
2017-06-01, 14:27
- My takeaway: -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-01, 14:59
- My takeaway: - Cody Miller, 2017-06-01, 15:18
- My takeaway: -
Kermit,
2017-06-01, 15:04
- My takeaway: - EffortlessFury, 2017-06-01, 16:38
- My takeaway: -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-01, 15:15
- My takeaway: - EffortlessFury, 2017-06-01, 16:34
- My takeaway: -
Ragashingo,
2017-06-01, 15:46
- My takeaway: -
EffortlessFury,
2017-06-01, 16:33
- My takeaway: -
Xenos,
2017-06-01, 16:56
- My takeaway: -
EffortlessFury,
2017-06-01, 17:12
- My takeaway: - Harmanimus, 2017-06-01, 18:31
- My takeaway: -
EffortlessFury,
2017-06-01, 17:12
- My takeaway: -
Ragashingo,
2017-06-01, 16:57
- Read Creativity, Inc. -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-06-01, 17:13
- I own it. :)
- Ragashingo, 2017-06-01, 18:26
- I own it. :)
- Read Creativity, Inc. -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-06-01, 17:13
- My takeaway: -
Xenos,
2017-06-01, 16:56
- My takeaway: -
EffortlessFury,
2017-06-01, 16:33
- I wondered just the other day if WMGWWTP is still present? -
Pyromancy,
2017-06-01, 17:34
- Absolutely -
Xenos,
2017-06-01, 17:49
- Absolutely -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-01, 18:31
- Absolutely -
Xenos,
2017-06-01, 18:44
- Absolutely - dogcow, 2017-06-01, 19:07
- Absolutely -
Xenos,
2017-06-01, 18:44
- Absolutely -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-01, 18:31
- Absolutely -
Xenos,
2017-06-01, 17:49
- My takeaway: -
MartyTheElder,
2017-06-02, 00:14
- My takeaway: -
EffortlessFury,
2017-06-02, 00:43
- My takeaway: -
MartyTheElder,
2017-06-02, 01:05
- [Waves] -
Kermit,
2017-06-02, 01:24
- [Waves] back -
MartyTheElder,
2017-06-02, 01:35
- [Waves] back - Cody Miller, 2017-06-02, 03:06
- Stay alert. Set Paypals to "Fund'.
- Quirel, 2017-06-02, 05:24
- Kickstarter sucks also doesn't accept the Paypals
- Pyromancy, 2017-06-02, 05:43
- Starting a Kickstarter to improve Kickstarter. Stay tuned. - Quirel, 2017-06-03, 23:17
- Kickstarter sucks also doesn't accept the Paypals
- [Waves] back -
MartyTheElder,
2017-06-02, 01:35
- [Waves] -
Kermit,
2017-06-02, 01:24
- My takeaway: -
MartyTheElder,
2017-06-02, 01:05
- My takeaway: -
EffortlessFury,
2017-06-02, 00:43
- My takeaway: -
cheapLEY,
2017-06-01, 14:59
- My takeaway: -
EffortlessFury,
2017-06-01, 14:27
- Massive Info Dump on Halo History - My takeaway -
dogcow,
2017-06-01, 18:22
- This. - Kermit, 2017-06-01, 18:32
- Massive Info Dump on Halo History - My takeaway -
Blackt1g3r,
2017-06-01, 18:40
- Massive Info Dump on Halo History - My takeaway - dogcow, 2017-06-01, 18:53
- Massive Info Dump on Halo History - My takeaway -
Ragashingo,
2017-06-01, 18:52
- Massive Info Dump on Halo History - My takeaway -
dogcow,
2017-06-01, 18:56
- Massive Info Dump on Halo History - My takeaway - Ragashingo, 2017-06-01, 19:02
- Massive Info Dump on Halo History - My takeaway -
dogcow,
2017-06-01, 18:56
- Massive Info Dump on Halo History - My takeaway -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-01, 19:17
- Massive Info Dump on Halo History - My takeaway -
dogcow,
2017-06-01, 19:29
- Not like Sillicon Knights right? - Durandal, 2017-06-01, 21:16
- Engine or Content? -
narcogen,
2017-06-01, 23:19
- Engine or Content? -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-11, 18:58
- You're forgetting ZPC.
- Claude Errera, 2017-06-11, 19:07
- It was so hideous I forgot about it.
- Cody Miller, 2017-06-11, 19:24
- It was so hideous I forgot about it.
- You're forgetting ZPC.
- Engine or Content? -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-11, 18:58
- Massive Info Dump on Halo History - My takeaway -
dogcow,
2017-06-01, 19:29
- mental health -
General Battuta,
2017-06-02, 01:19
- mental health +1
- CruelLEGACEY, 2017-06-02, 03:17
- mental health +1
- What a way to run a railroad. - INSANEdrive, 2017-06-02, 03:33
- While we're on the subject -
TheGhostBrigade,
2017-06-02, 10:14
- While we're on the subject -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-02, 12:11
- While we're on the subject - TheGhostBrigade, 2017-06-03, 02:14
- While we're on the subject -
Cody Miller,
2017-06-02, 12:11
- Massive Info Dump on Halo History -
Cody Miller,
2017-05-30, 18:18